US state names

[Keith F. Lynch]

Two US states are named for this man's father, one for his mother, and
one for his brother, but none are named for him. Who is he, and what
are the four states?

[Joshua Kreitzer]

Post by Keith F. Lynch
Two US states are named for this man's father, one for his mother, and
one for his brother, but none are named for him. Who is he, and what
are the four states?

Okay, I am going to try this, without looking anything up.

The two states named for the person's father must be North and South
Carolina. So that must be named after one of the King Charleses of
England. (Not the current one.)

I recently read that New York is named for the Duke of York who became
King James II, so that must be the state named for the person's brother.

And since we are looking for a state named after a woman, the state
named for the person's mother must be Maryland, although I don't recall
which Queen Mary that is.

To my knowledge, Charles I of England was the father of both Charles II
and James II, so the answer to "who is he" would be King Charles II of
England, with NC and SC being named for Charles I.

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Joshua Kreitzer
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[Keith F. Lynch]

Post by Joshua Kreitzer
To my knowledge, Charles I of England was the father of both Charles II
and James II, so the answer to "who is he" would be King Charles II of
England, with NC and SC being named for Charles I.

Correct. As for Maryland, it wasn't named for a Queen Mary but for
Queen Henrietta Maria, Charles I's French Catholic wife, who fled back
to France with the future Charles II when Charles I lost his head.
in the 1970 movie _Cromwell_ she was portayed by Dorothy Tutin.

Charles II is probably best known for having his father's head sewn
back on, and the late Oliver Cromwell's head cut off.

The current king, Charles III, is not descended from Charles II, but
his children are.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Keith F. Lynch

Post by Joshua Kreitzer
To my knowledge, Charles I of England was the father of both Charles II
and James II, so the answer to "who is he" would be King Charles II of
England, with NC and SC being named for Charles I.

Correct. As for Maryland, it wasn't named for a Queen Mary but for
Queen Henrietta Maria, Charles I's French Catholic wife, who fled back
to France with the future Charles II when Charles I lost his head.
in the 1970 movie _Cromwell_ she was portayed by Dorothy Tutin.
Charles II is probably best known for having his father's head sewn
back on, and the late Oliver Cromwell's head cut off.
The current king, Charles III, is not descended from Charles II, but
his children are.

Charles III is not descended from Charles II (who left no
*legitimate* descendants),but when it comes to George II,
as I have observed before....

both of his parents (Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip)
were descended from George II.
both of his father's parents (Alice of Battenberg and Andrew of Greece)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's parents (King George V and Mary of Teck)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's parents
(King Edward VII and Alexandra of Denmark)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's mother's parents
(Christian IX of Denmark and Louise of Hesse-Cassel,
who were also his father's father's father's parents)
were descended from George II.
and his mother's father's father's father's mother's father's
parents (Charles of Hesse-Cassel and Louisa of Denmark)
were the son of one daughter of George II,
and the daugthter of another daughter of George II.

Charles I of course was brother of the mother of the mother of
the father of George II.

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[Keith F. Lynch]

Post by Louis Epstein
Charles III is not descended from Charles II (who left no
*legitimate* descendants),but when it comes to George II,
as I have observed before....
both of his parents (Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip)
were descended from George II.
both of his father's parents (Alice of Battenberg and Andrew of Greece)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's parents (King George V and Mary of Teck)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's parents
(King Edward VII and Alexandra of Denmark)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's mother's parents
(Christian IX of Denmark and Louise of Hesse-Cassel,
who were also his father's father's father's parents)
were descended from George II.
and his mother's father's father's father's mother's father's
parents (Charles of Hesse-Cassel and Louisa of Denmark)
were the son of one daughter of George II,
and the daugthter of another daughter of George II.

So to summarize, how many of Charles III's ancestors are George II?
I know that two of his ancestors are Victoria, since she was an
ancestor of both Elizabeth II and Prince Philip.

I wonder how many of his ancestores are William I? It's probably in
the thousands.

Everyone of course has two parents, four grandparents, eight great
grandparents, etc. So more than a thousand ancestors 10 generations
ago, more than a million 20 generations ago, and more than a billion
30 generations ago. And the world population was much less than a
billion 30 generations ago. So *everyone* is inbred, not just royals.

I wish I could find a machine-readable royal family tree so that I
could write a program to answer questions such as whether A is the
ancestor of B or vice versa, and if so then by how many routes, and
which routes are the longest and shortest.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Keith F. Lynch

Post by Louis Epstein
Charles III is not descended from Charles II (who left no
*legitimate* descendants),but when it comes to George II,
as I have observed before....
both of his parents (Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip)
were descended from George II.
both of his father's parents (Alice of Battenberg and Andrew of Greece)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's parents (King George V and Mary of Teck)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's parents
(King Edward VII and Alexandra of Denmark)
were descended from George II.
both of his mother's father's father's mother's parents
(Christian IX of Denmark and Louise of Hesse-Cassel,
who were also his father's father's father's parents)
were descended from George II.
and his mother's father's father's father's mother's father's
parents (Charles of Hesse-Cassel and Louisa of Denmark)
were the son of one daughter of George II,
and the daughter of another daughter of George II.

So to summarize, how many of Charles III's ancestors are George II?
I know that two of his ancestors are Victoria, since she was an
ancestor of both Elizabeth II and Prince Philip.
I wonder how many of his ancestores are William I? It's probably in
the thousands.
Everyone of course has two parents, four grandparents, eight great
grandparents, etc. So more than a thousand ancestors 10 generations
ago, more than a million 20 generations ago, and more than a billion
30 generations ago. And the world population was much less than a
billion 30 generations ago. So *everyone* is inbred, not just royals.

And in pre-industrial times,royalty could marry royalty from
other countries,while peasants married within their own villages
most of the time.

It's been said that Arnulf of Metz (who died in the 640s) was a
47th generation ancestor of Elizabeth II (though obviously there
are lines to her of different lengths even from George III),
and if you go even 7 generations back there are over 100 ancestor
slots,and 47=7+20+20 meaning 47 generations back there are
a hundred million million ancestor slots to be filled by
a hundred million people in Europe (out of a few times that worldwide)
so over a million lines of descent to any given person on average.
When you deduct all the people with no descendants their spots are
filled by the rest.

Post by Keith F. Lynch
I wish I could find a machine-readable royal family tree so that I
could write a program to answer questions such as whether A is the
ancestor of B or vice versa, and if so then by how many routes, and
which routes are the longest and shortest.

There are royal genealogy databases out there.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Keith F. Lynch]

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Keith F. Lynch
I wish I could find a machine-readable royal family tree so that I
could write a program to answer questions such as whether A is the
ancestor of B or vice versa, and if so then by how many routes, and
which routes are the longest and shortest.

There are royal genealogy databases out there.

I couldn't find one, so I created one, just in time for Mother's Day.
Just a first crude attempt, consisting only of the ancestors of
Charles III, current king of the UK, recursively mined from the
infobox sections of English language Wikipedia pages on each
successive ancestor, using a C program I wrote for the purpose.

Only direct ancestors of Charles III are shown. 1674 ancestors are
here, all that were reachable by this method. Names given are those
used by Wikipedia, i.e. the part of the URL that follows
http://en.wikipedia/org/wiki/
These names have the advantage that they are globally unique.

The format is F or M for father or mother, followed by the name
of a person, followed by the name of their father or mother, all
separated by slashes. For instance:

F/Charles_III/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh
M/Charles_III/Elizabeth_II

I haven't yet written a program to count how many times each person
appears in the family tree. (If you're thinking of writing such a
program, and aren't sure how, look up "adjacency matrix" in Wikipedia.)
I know that (for instance) Alfred the Great appears at least 11 times,
as he appears at least once in each generation from 43 generations ago
to 33 generations ago, but he likely occurs multiple times in each.
And of course many links aren't findable through Wikipedia. And,
obviously, there could be errors or omissions in Wikipedia. Non-ASCII
characters are often handled inconsistently. At least there were no
circular links in this tree, e.g. someone listed as their own
grandfather, like Fry in Futurama.

This table is intended for computer programs to work with. If you're looking
for a human-readable table, see

My table can be found at http://KeithLynch.net/charles.txt

Post by Louis Epstein
It's been said that Arnulf of Metz (who died in the 640s) was a
47th generation ancestor of Elizabeth II (though obviously there
are lines to her of different lengths even from George III), ...

He is indeed both the earliest-born and most distant ancestor in the
table. My program finds at least one path to him for every number of
generations back from Lizzie from 40 through 50, (41 through 51 from
Charles III).

The longest page is that of Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor.

Enjoy. If anyone does anything interesting with it, or finds any
errors in it, or has any suggestions, please tell me.