Revised "Consider This..."

[Louis Epstein]

The midpoint of her reign travels steadily through May 1983,
the time of Margaret Thatcher's second election.Since the last
of these I posted has scrolled off my server,I post anew:

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 23rd 1889.

Queen Victoria,under 2 months past 70,was on the throne,years closer to
her past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 3 months from 48 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from
66),the future George V was under 8 weeks past 24(the Duke of Cambridge
is over 2 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was months past a year old.

Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A further tweak as we now pass within a year of Her Majesty surpassing
Queen Victoria's regnal record...

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 3rd 1889.

Queen Victoria,under 6 weeks past 70,was on the throne,years closer to
her past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 4 months from 48 (the current Prince of Wales is barely 2 months from
66),the future George V was only a month past 24(the Duke of Cambridge
is over 10 weeks past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 8 weeks past a year old.

Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The midpoint of the current reign slips past Prince Philip's 62nd birthday
and toward Prince William's 1st,in June 1983...soon 39 years past the
midpoint of George VI's reign.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 31st 1889.

Queen Victoria,only a week past 70,was on the throne,years closer to
her past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 5 months from 48 (the current Prince of Wales is under a month
from 66),the future George V was not yet 24(the Duke of Cambridge
is over 3 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 2 weeks past a year old.

Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A further update as the Prince of Wales turns 66...
the first year of Prince William's life now belongs to the first
half of the present reign...

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 5th 1889.

Queen Victoria,weeks from 70,was on the throne,years closer to
her past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII
was over 6 months from 48 (the current Prince of Wales is now 66),
the future George V was over 4 weeks from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
nearly 5 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was not yet a year old.

Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Another month forward in time,so another month backward for the "most"
point and half a month forward for the regnal midpoint (now in July 1983,
more than 39 years after the midpoint of the reign of George VI and more
than 31 years before now.

Look for Neville Chamberlain in the next revision.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 2nd 1889.

Queen Victoria,over 7 weeks from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is now a month past 66),
the future George V was 2 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is over
5 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was over a month short of a year old.

Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The Queen's reign approaches 63 years in length,so the "most" point is now
almost 63 years before her accession.That will make 21 years a third of
the reign,dividing 1952-1973,1973-1994,and 1994-2015.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 2nd 1889.

Queen Victoria,over 11 weeks from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 66),
the future George V was over 3 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 10 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was six,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A bit early to post another revision,I know,but today's Saudi succession
impels me to observe that the Queen's reign has overlapped those of ALL
Saudi monarchs,the father and now six sons,and covers MOST of the time
since before the collapse of the "Second Saudi State" that led to the
exile from which the first Saudi King began reconquest with his raid on
Riyadh in 1902.

And,if certain questioned Spanish ancestral connections are true,
she's descended from the Prophet Mohammed.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 24th 1889.

Queen Victoria,3 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 66),
the future George V was over 3 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was about 9 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was six,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Graham]

Post by Louis Epstein
A bit early to post another revision,I know,but today's Saudi succession
impels me to observe that the Queen's reign has overlapped those of ALL
Saudi monarchs,the father and now six sons,and covers MOST of the time
since before the collapse of the "Second Saudi State" that led to the
exile from which the first Saudi King began reconquest with his raid on
Riyadh in 1902.

I note that the recently-acceded King of Saudi was born on 31st December 1935 in the reign of George V of the UK (which then held a Protectorate over Saudi's neighbour Transjordan). And that his father Abdulaziz/Ibn Saud was born on 15 January 1876, when Queen Victoria had not yet become Empress of India, and became Emir of Nejd in the year of Edward VII's coronation.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Graham

Post by Louis Epstein
A bit early to post another revision,I know,but today's Saudi succession
impels me to observe that the Queen's reign has overlapped those of ALL
Saudi monarchs,the father and now six sons,and covers MOST of the time
since before the collapse of the "Second Saudi State" that led to the
exile from which the first Saudi King began reconquest with his raid on
Riyadh in 1902.

I note that the recently-acceded King of Saudi was born on 31st
December 1935 in the reign of George V of the UK (which then held a
Protectorate over Saudi's neighbour Transjordan).

There's some dispute over the birthdate of most Saudi kings and princes
but he's at least that old.

Post by Graham
And that his father Abdulaziz/Ibn Saud was born on 15 January 1876, when
Queen Victoria had not yet become Empress of India, and became Emir of
Nejd in the year of Edward VII's coronation.

I have seen "Emir of Riyadh",with a progression to "Sultan of Nejd" a few
years and conquests after.

The death of George V opened a period of the Saudi monarch being older
than the British that has only just ended,though Edward VIII was older
than Kings Saud and Faisal who reigned years after he had abdicated.
The King and Crown Prince are older than the Prince of Wales,but the
Deputy Crown Prince is not,and the King's son who has become Defense
Minister and head of the royal court is about Prince William's age.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

I don' normally post another revision within a week of the last,
if indeed I ever have...but I just
discovered an error...I'd been lazy on the oldest-baronet distinction.
I've gone eight months back into the life of a baronet born in 1795 and
continued to list as oldest one born in 1799 who was by this point no
better than third-oldest.(One born in 1794 is on the horizon...)


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 22nd 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 66),
the future George V was over 5 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was a bit over 7 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the Queen's 89th birthday...

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 27th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 66),
the future George V was over 6 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was a little over 6 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for Prince Philip's recent 94th birthday...
an age the Queen would reach in 2020,
the Prince of Wales in 2042,
the Duke of Cambridge in 2076,
and Prince George in 2107.

The Queen is now within three months of surpassing Queen Victoria's reign.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 7th 1888.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
a month from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 66),
the future George V was under 5 months past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 5 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A Prince William's birthday revision.
The only previous time a second direct heir has been at least 33
was from June 3rd 1898 to January 22nd 1901.
The Queen is 2 months past 89,an age Queen Victoria would have
reached had she lived to July 1908,while the Prince of Wales
is at an age reached by Edward VII in June 1908 and George IV in 1829;
he may well not accede until after the ages at which they died.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1888.

Queen Victoria,barely 4 months past 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
6 weeks from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 67),
the future George V was under 4 months past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 5 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Prince George is two years old today...
time for a revision.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 29th 1888.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 67),
the future George V was under 3 months past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 4 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The long-awaited "Queen Elizabeth Breaks the Record" edition.

I note that at her death in January 1901,Queen Victoria had been on the
throne for most of the time since November 1773 (before the Boston Tea
Party),and she continued to have been on the throne for most of the time
since her June 1837 accession until August 1964(as the Home Government
neared its end).

The midpoint of the current reign is now in late November 1983,
and whatever the historian quoted by Chiefy may think,the UK of
that time is clearly distinct from that under any other Sovereign past or
future.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 9th 1888.

Queen Victoria,under 7 weeks past 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was 4
months from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 67),
the future George V was about 5 weeks past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 2 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Another revision,most probably the last before Brazil's "Lex Aurea" is
noted abroad.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 6th 1888.

Queen Victoria,under 3 weeks past 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 weeks from 67),
the future George V was only 3 days past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was only weeks old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The long-awaited "Lex Aurea" revision.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 10th 1888.

Queen Victoria,2 weeks from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was nearly
6 months from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is only a week from 67),
the future George V was over 3 weeks from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the 67th birthday of the Prince of Wales.

George I reached this age in late May 1727 and died in mid June.
George IV reached this age in August 1829 and died in June 1830.
Edward VII reached this age in November 1908 and died in May 1910.

It seems ever less likely that the reign of Charles III will begin at
an age before those at which theirs ended.

(Prince William reaches this age in June 2049 and Prince George
in July 2080).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1888.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 6 months from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is now 67),
the future George V was a month from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The midpoint of the present reign has entered 1984
and the Prince of Wales is now older than George I lived to be.

Next posted revision should see another change abroad.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 31st 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 7 weeks from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 5 months past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over a month past
67),the future George V was over 2 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Count Gudenus]

By Consider This you oribably understand all kind of Betty admirers: go to hell

[Louis Epstein]

This revision has a new milestone abroad,as we have stretched back to the
first of the three Kaisers.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 8th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 4 months past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is nearly 8 weeks past
67),the future George V was over 12 weeks from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Count Gudenus]

Perhaps of interest to the birds (?) of the Falklands Island! But then state: Falkland Islands (UK)) - Considerthis this. One is not interested in the text one then at best reads this headline (Falkland Islands (UK)) - Consider this.

[Louis Epstein]

I post a revision at least once a month to ensure it's on servers with a
month's holding time,but as the regnal year 64 Eliz. II draws to a close
things are fairly static.In the near future we will see the shadow stretch
back to before Churchill entered his teens,but it's still over two and a
half years before Sir George Sartorius arrives to consign Admirals Keppel
and Milne to the junior officers' mess.

One contemporary development is the news that Air Chief Marshal Sir
Stuart Peach will become the third Chief of Defence Staff born in the
current reign (and the first not to be commissioned before the Silver
Jubilee).He is older than the three service chiefs.
Naturally as a reign begun in February 1952 reaches February 2016
its midpoint has reached February 1984...within the 1982-85 military
rotation.When the Queen acceded to the throne the three service chiefs
were Viscount Slim,Sir Rhoderick McGrigor,and Sir John Slessor,all
junior officers in World War I and general officers in World War II;
at the midpoint they were Sir John Stanier,Sir John Fieldhouse,and
Sir Keith Williamson,all trainees at the end of World War II.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 13th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 4 months past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past
67),the future George V was over 3 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Been a while since I posted a revision.

I note a recent death in the Queen's maternal extended family,
the 18th Earl of Strathmore & Kinghorne,born in the current
reign and a second cousin of the Prince of Wales.Her Majesty's
maternal grandfather (died 1944) was the 14th Earl,the 15th
Earl(died 1949) was her uncle,the 16th and 17th (died 1972
and 1987) were her first cousins (and first cousins to each
other as well).The new Earl is a third cousin of Prince William.

Also lately deceased is the 21st Earl of Morton,at 88...his
son who succeeds was born just weeks before the current reign
started.

The next posting will have worked back into 1887...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 7th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 2 months past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past
67),the future George V was over 4 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The Queen's 90th Birthday revision.
Her Majesty has now been alive for most of the time since April 22nd 1836,
and for most of the time from her birth until April 20th 2106.
A Chief of Naval Staff and First Sea Lord born in 1960 recently took
office.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 69,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 3 weeks past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past
67),the future George V was over 6 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

This is a revision for the "half-birthday" of the Prince of Wales,
as he is halfway between 67 and 68.
I am not sure whether the odds are yet with his reaching 70 while
both his parents are still alive (the Queen turned 90 last month
and Prince Philip turns 95 next month) but they improve daily.

At 67.5 King Edward VII had less than a year to live (May 9th 1909 to
May 6th 1910) and George IV was even closer to his end...he turned
67 in August 1829 and died in June 1830 about four and a half months
after his "half-birthday".
(George V reached this age in December 1932 and died in January 1936).

As regards the below most-of situation,you'll note that we're getting
to where the then Prince of Wales and his son were about equally distant
from the current age of the Duke of Cambridge....when I started this file
the royal grandsons were roughly comparable.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 2nd 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 69,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
a week from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is now 6 months past 67),
the future George V was under 5 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Queen's Official Birthday revision...Prince Philip has turned 95
and Prince William,now added to the Privy Council,will soon be 34.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 11th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 weeks from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 67),
the future George V was under 5 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
who at 34 has now been around for most of his father's life.
He seems set to set a record for oldest age to become Prince
of Wales.

I see that the ages of Queen Victoria and the Prince of Wales
in the file are now both approaching 68 from opposite directions.

We're not far from reaching the credited date of birth of the
oldest person to reach 2003,who was only about eight months
younger than the oldest to reach 2002.

-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,barely 4 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 68),
the future George V was under 4 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his
father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision to mark the death of the Earl of St. Germans,
because the new peer becomes the youngest peer,born 2004,
extending the range of birth years of peers in the present reign.

At the Queen's accession the oldest peer was the Earl of Dunraven
and Mount-Earl born in 1857,as far as I know...the then Earl of
St. Germans was born in 1870 (grandfather of the deceased peer
who was grandfather of the new one).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 30th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 68),
the future George V was under 3 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 weeks past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The present reign has reached 64.5 years...
its midpoint is now in May 1984,
the one- and two-thirds points in August 1973 and February 1995,
and the one- and three-quarter points in March 1968 and June 2000.

The next revision of the below should see a George V Prime Minister
join the George VI Prime Ministers currently listed.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 68),
the future George V was under 3 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
nearly 7 weeks past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

I noted elsewhere the start of this series of postings coming
just after the reign had reached 58 years in length...here now
the latest...at the beginning I referred to the Golden Jubilee
in error but now it is being reached.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 25th 1887.

Queen Victoria,barely 2 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 68),
the future George V was under 2 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The present reign has now reached 64 years 7 months,
about a year longer then Queen Victoria's.
The Prince of Wales is now at an age that King Edward VII
(died May 6th 1910) did not reach until September 1909...
and will reach the age at which King George IV died by the
end of this month.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 14th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 2 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 68),
the future George V was under 6 weeks past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The Queen is now closer to 91 than 90,and the below period has
expanded to before the 1887 birthdays of Victoria and George V;
a new Baron makes his debut.The midpoint of the present reign
is now moving through June 1984,nearly 40 years after the midpoint
of the previous.

The death of the King of Thailand (that realm's monarch for most
of the time since 1876) of course makes the Queen the world's longest
reigning monarch in his place.

I note that the next Malaysian rotating suzerain has been elected,
as the present,first-ever second-term,monarch reaches the end of
his five years,and the man who would follow in five years' time and
then become the second second-term monarch of Malaysia was NOT elected
to the deputy-king position,perhaps because of ill health.

-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 23rd 1887.

Queen Victoria,a day from 68,was on the throne,nearly a month before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 68),
the future George V was over a week from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the 68th birthday of the Prince of Wales...
a birthday George IV never reached,the last Edward VII reached
(under six months before his death),and which George V reached
only after twenty-three years on the Throne.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1887.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 68,was on the throne,over a month before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 6 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is now 68),
the future George V was a month from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Today the present British reign reaches 64 years,10 months...
with its midpoint now in July 1984,forty years after the middle
of George VI's reign in July 1944.Of course only a notably long
reign leads to those of the era being identified with the reign.
Queen Victoria's regnal midpoint was in early 1869,Edward VII's in
September 1905,so Victorians and Edwardians can be distinguished,
yet no one spent a life of note as the latter alone.

A revision:


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 6 weeks from 68,was on the throne,over 2 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
only 5 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 weeks past 68),
the future George V was nearly 8 weeks from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision to welcome 2017:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 16th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 68,was on the throne,over 3 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 68),
the future George V was over 2 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision to mark 65 years of Her Majesty's reign.
Also about the 7th anniversary of my postings of this file.

I believe I timed the first version for when the most-of date
first moved before the birth of Macmillan,so Attlee would be
the last-born Prime Minister covered...I hope that in time Her
Majesty will chase him all the way back into the womb,in the
meantime Baldwin and Chamberlain have replaced Churchill in
the "teenage" department and within months they will be joined
by Ramsay Macdonald.

65 years can be evenly divided into 5 periods of 13 years:
1952-1965,1965-1978,1978-1991,1991-2004,2004-2017.
The middle period neatly brackets Thatcher's Prime Ministership
(1979-90) as the center of the reign moves through the same
month as the center of that period,August 1984.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 68,was on the throne,over 4 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was only
3 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 68),
the future George V was over 3 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

We now stretch back before the birth of the oldest person to reach
the year 2002 (which was the Queen's Golden Jubilee year).

I note that not only 65,the number of completed years of the reign,
but 91,the age the Queen reaches in April,is evenly divisible by 13,
so the reign can be looked at as five and Her Majesty's life as seven
13-year segments.

In recent days the last sitting MP born before 1932 has died...so
everyone now in the Commons was,if born,not yet old enough to sit
at the start of this reign.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 19th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 68,was on the throne,over 5 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 68),
the future George V was over 4 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

As the present reign stretches into another United States presidency,
yet another revision.Trump is the third president of the USA to have
been five years old at the Queen's accession,with Obama not yet born
then (and likely all future presidents likewise).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,nearly 3 months from 68,was on the throne,over 3 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 68),
the future George V was over 3 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 5 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

We now stretch back into 1886...a year somewhat less eventful
in terms of changes to this file than 1885 will be,but if the Queen
beats the odds and lives through 2021 this file will get back through
1882...before Attlee's birth.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 30th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

I now note that IF Queen Victoria had reigned as long as Queen Elizabeth
II has thus far,she would have lived past the historical August 1902
coronation date of Edward VII(a year and a half after his accession).

Edward VII did not reach the present age of the Prince of Wales until
March 26th 1910 (and of course died on May 6th of that year).This year
should see HRH break Edward's record for time as Prince of Wales despite
his ancestor having been so created at the age of one month compared
to the current Prince's nine years.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 16th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
6 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

We now slip back into the lifetime of another old Field Marshal,
one of the general officers in the Crimean War (who in some cases
got honorary promotions toward the end of their lives).

The midpoint of the current reign is about at the birthdate of
Prince Henry of Wales,whose life will thus no longer be entirely
of its second half...while fewer than 13 of his mother's 36-year
lifetime still fall in the second half as her life belongs
increasingly to the first.

The fifths right now:
February 6 1952-February 19 1965
February 19 1965-March 4 1978
March 4 1978-March 17 1991
March 17 1991-March 30 2004
March 30 2004-present
though of course adjusting daily.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 5th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is nearly 5 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Since my last revision a General Election has been called...
among those retiring for reasons of age and health are Sir
Simon Burns,Sir Eric Pickles,and Sir Edward Garnier(all born
in 1952 but after February) and Graham Allen(born January 1953).

Older MPs are in some cases still running (85-year-old Dennis Skinner
would be the oldest MP in decades if he wins and survives a new term)
or revoking decisions to retire just yet,but still,another indication
of the length of this reign that it can include the whole lives of
those calling it a career (as opposed to seeking new careers).

The Queen of course has turned 91 and Princess Charlotte is about to
turn 2.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 18th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 68),
the future George V was over 6 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

I started posting these in February 2010,then referencing
February 1894 just before the birth of Macmillan.
Since then,as the current reign has continued,its shadow has
spread back before the commissioning of the Royal Sovereign,
Trafalgar,Victoria,Admiral,and now Colossus class battleships,
including the whole of HMS Victoria's time from 1887 launch
to 1893 accidental sinking.

And still it stretches...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
a week from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Louis Epstein
I started posting these in February 2010,then referencing
February 1894 just before the birth of Macmillan.
Since then,as the current reign has continued,its shadow has
spread back before the commissioning of the Royal Sovereign,
Trafalgar,Victoria,Admiral,and now Colossus class battleships,
including the whole of HMS Victoria's time from 1887 launch
to 1893 accidental sinking.

Forgot to mention...the Prince of Wales has now passed the age
at which Edward VII died.

Post by Louis Epstein
And still it stretches...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1886.
Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
a week from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

An update for the fourth birthday of Prince George
(who if he matches the current age of the Duke of Edinburgh
will survive to September 2109).
Edward VIII reached age four in June 1898,two years and seven
months before the death of Queen Victoria.

In terms of the ever-receding referenced date below,
we are getting back toward the brief penultimate Gladstone
and first Salisbury ministries.

The midpoint of the current reign is passing through the last days
of October 1984.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 27th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Count Gudenus]

Post by Louis Epstein
An update for the fourth birthday of Prince George
(who if he matches the current age of the Duke of Edinburgh
will survive to September 2109).
Edward VIII reached age four in June 1898,two years and seven
months before the death of Queen Victoria.
In terms of the ever-receding referenced date below,
we are getting back toward the brief penultimate Gladstone
and first Salisbury ministries.
The midpoint of the current reign is passing through the last days
of October 1984.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 27th 1886.
Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Count Gudenus]

How boring!

[The Chief]

Post by Count Gudenus
How boring!

I agree entirely! Loonie Louie keeps posting this meaningless numerological nonsense over and over...

Regards,
The Chief

[Count Gudenus]

Post by The Chief

Post by Count Gudenus
How boring!

I agree entirely! Loonie Louie keeps posting this meaningless numerological nonsense over and over...
Regards,
The Chief

You agree! But ...

[Louis Epstein]

Happy 96th birthday to Prince Philip (who has thus been alive
for most of the time since June 11th 1825).

This revision welcomes Ramsay Macdonald (died 80 years ago this year)
to the ranks of the teenagers.

A recent milestone is the Queen surpassing her mother's time as a queen
(consort or dowager) from December 1936 to March 2002).So she is the
longest tenured British "Majesty" ever.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 9th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was a
month from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[The Doctor]

Post by Louis Epstein
Happy 96th birthday to Prince Philip (who has thus been alive
for most of the time since June 11th 1825).
This revision welcomes Ramsay Macdonald (died 80 years ago this year)
to the ranks of the teenagers.
A recent milestone is the Queen surpassing her mother's time as a queen
(consort or dowager) from December 1936 to March 2002).So she is the
longest tenured British "Majesty" ever.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 9th 1886.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was a
month from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Cheers! and hopefully Jai Maharaj is done in.

[Louis Epstein]

Today Prince William turns 35 as second direct heir,
only George V having been so that old previously
(both having been born in that position).

The Prince of Wales was in this position 1948-52,
Edward VIII from 1901-1910,
Charlotte of Wales 1796-1817,
George III 1738-1751,
Frederick Prince of Wales 1714-27,
and before that I think you have to go back to
Edward of Angouleme's brief life (1365-72) followed
by his brother Richard II(1372-1377) to find any
child heir apparent of the Monarch's senior child in England/Britain.

Edward VIII (born 1894) and Frederick Prince of Wales(born 1707)
are the only second direct heirs NOT born as such since Richard II.
Edward I's second son Henry (who died at age six) also was second
heir to Henry III after an older brother who died at age five.

Edward VIII and Prince George of Cambridge are the only ever
third direct heirs (Frederick was born a great-grandson of the
Electress Sophia,but only Queen Anne's death put him in direct line).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
6 weeks from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Graham]

Post by Louis Epstein
Today Prince William turns 35 as second direct heir,
only George V having been so that old previously
(both having been born in that position).
The Prince of Wales was in this position 1948-52,
Edward VIII from 1901-1910,
Charlotte of Wales 1796-1817,
George III 1738-1751,
Frederick Prince of Wales 1714-27,
and before that I think you have to go back to
Edward of Angouleme's brief life (1365-72) followed
by his brother Richard II(1372-1377) to find any
child heir apparent of the Monarch's senior child in England/Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stewart,_Duke_of_Rothesay was the heir apparent of the Earl of Carrick (future Robert III), who was the senior child of Robert II of Scots, from 1378-90.

Post by Louis Epstein
Edward VIII (born 1894) and Frederick Prince of Wales(born 1707)
are the only second direct heirs NOT born as such since Richard II.
Edward I's second son Henry (who died at age six) also was second
heir to Henry III after an older brother who died at age five.
Edward VIII and Prince George of Cambridge are the only ever
third direct heirs (Frederick was born a great-grandson of the
Electress Sophia,but only Queen Anne's death put him in direct line).

Although, if Princess Charlotte's stillborn son had drawn breath, he would have been in that category.

[Louis Epstein]

On this occasion I note that the midpoint of the present reign
has reached October 21st 1984,a year and a half before the Queen's
60th birthday...so if she reigns three more years,which the odds
favor,the midpoint will pass that birthday.

I recall a poll years before 1986 being cited that supposedly said
a majority in Britain wanted the Queen to step down at 60 (which is
the age at which UK diplomats and civil servants are obliged to retire.
Of course that alleged desire for her to go had evaporated by the time
the date arrived.

So should the midpoint pass that point,Her Majesty will have spent
most of her reign with persons younger than she being retired from
her service on account of age (which for nearly five and a half years
now has been the lot of those not even born at her accession).

It would however take another decade or more (from now) before most
of the reign had been after the retirement of the last diplomat/civil
servant whose career had begun before the present reign.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 13th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
8 weeks from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Her Majesty's reign now exceeding sixty-five and a half years,
this posting now references a time sixty-five and a half years
before her accession.

I remember the 1969 investiture of the Prince of Wales,
I anticipate many children were then told he would be King
when they grew up.

Anyone who was twelve at the time and went on to be a UK
diplomat or civil servant has since reached mandatory retirement
age without Charles becoming King yet!

(He is however less than a month from breaking the record for tenure
as Prince of Wales held by Edward VII,who had the advantage of being
so created at the age of one month instead of nearly ten years).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 6th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 7 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[The Chief]

Post by Louis Epstein
Her Majesty's reign now exceeding sixty-five and a half years,
this posting now references a time sixty-five and a half years
before her accession.
I remember the 1969 investiture of the Prince of Wales,
I anticipate many children were then told he would be King
when they grew up.
Anyone who was twelve at the time and went on to be a UK
diplomat or civil servant has since reached mandatory retirement
age without Charles becoming King yet!
(He is however less than a month from breaking the record for tenure
as Prince of Wales held by Edward VII,who had the advantage of being
so created at the age of one month instead of nearly ten years).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 6th 1886.
Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 7 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

Boring twaddle. I doubt anyone reads it. I certainly don't.

The Chief

[Louis Epstein]

[Earthshakingly fascinating observations snipped]

Post by The Chief
Boring twaddle. I doubt anyone reads it. I certainly don't.

Those more discerning than you have a higher opinion,
but if you didn't read it on what basis would you make
that observation?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A premature revision perhaps,but prompted by discovery that I
had again done something that prompted a previous premature
revision...omitted for a significant period to revise the
identity of the oldest living baronet at the ever-receding
reference date.

Sir Henry Oxenden(born 1795) in fact did not become the oldest
living baronet until 1888...succeeding the now at last noted
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame(born 1794) who I had cited as
on the horizon (without naming him) when I last remedied my
tardiness on this event.

In about a year the reference date will slip back into the
lifetime of Sir Moses Montefiore,who was oldest baronet for
seven years.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 69),
the future George V was under 2 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 8 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[The Chief]

Post by Louis Epstein
A premature revision perhaps,but prompted by discovery that I
had again done something that prompted a previous premature
revision...omitted for a significant period to revise the
identity of the oldest living baronet at the ever-receding
reference date.
Sir Henry Oxenden(born 1795) in fact did not become the oldest
living baronet until 1888...succeeding the now at last noted
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame(born 1794) who I had cited as
on the horizon (without naming him) when I last remedied my
tardiness on this event.
In about a year the reference date will slip back into the
lifetime of Sir Moses Montefiore,who was oldest baronet for
seven years.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 2nd 1886.
Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 69),
the future George V was under 2 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 8 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

The monkeys have been busy with their typewriters....

[Louis Epstein]

This revision marks entry into the third Gladstone ministry,which
separated the first two terms of Lord Salisbury.

I also note that the midpoint of the current reign has now reached
the 36th birthday of the Prince of Wales.How likely was it thought then
(November 1984) that most of his time as Heir Apparent still lay ahead?

In about two weeks he adds the record for tenure as Prince of Wales
to his record for tenure as Heir Apparent.

This update should mark the final appearance of Lord William Paulet,
who at the referenced date had only been a Field Marshal for two weeks.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 24th 1886.

Queen Victoria,only 2 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 69),
the future George V was under 8 weeks past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Since my last posting on this thread,
the Prince of Wales has broken the record for tenure in that dignity.

The midpoint of the current reign has passed the Queen's 37th
wedding anniversary.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 26th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 weeks past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 2 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 weeks past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Concessions to the Queen's advancing years have been going on for some
time...it was when she was in her sixties that she ceased to ride in the
Trooping of the Colour,and the ever-growing number of Maundy Money
recipients started to receive both purses at once rather than queueing to
see Her Majesty twice.

Nonetheless,it has now been announced that the Queen will no longer lay a
wreath at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day,being content instead to watch
from a balcony as the Prince of Wales does so.

I have mentioned at times the requirement that members of the Civil and
Diplomatic Services retire on turning sixty.Assuming engagement in such
service on university graduation at twenty-two,the notional length of
such a career would be thirty-eight years,longer than the typical British
reign...thus implying a typical civil servant/diplomat would serve
multiple Sovereigns,whether from one reign into another or if sharing a
career and regnal midpoint starting in one reign,continuing all the way
through a second,and then retiring in a third.

However,the midpoint of the current reign has reached December 10th 1984;
a service career centered on that day (nineteen years before and nineteen
after) would run from 1965 to 2003...the servant having been eight years
old at the Queen's accession,and if still alive now in his seventies
potentially seen a grandchild born since his retirement become a teenager.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 1st 1886.

Queen Victoria,only 8 days past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under a month from 69),
the future George V was 2 days from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Another milestone that is approaching...the Queen will soon have lived a
full decade longer than any of her predecessors (the eldest of whom were
Victoria,May 24th 1819-January 22nd 1901,and George III,June 4th 1738-
January 29th 1820).

She is still a decade short of her mother's lifespan though over 35
years past her father's.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 20th 1886.

Queen Victoria,4 days short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 69),
the future George V was 2 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

When I started this file in early 2010,
the death of Alexander III of Russia was one
of those closest after the referenced date
(then in early 1894,he died that November).

I've rewritten the later copy to clarify that as the
date moves back we've now covered most of the distance
to his father's assassination in 1881.

(We've also slipped back past Queen Victoria's 67th birthday
and gone nearly halfway between the 45th and 44th birthdays
of her successor).

In one week,the current Prince of Wales turns 69.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 10th 1886.

Queen Victoria,2 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was nearly
6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is only a week from 69),
the future George V was over 3 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII(born 1810)
had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Reposting revision for the 69th birthday of the Prince of Wales.
Both of the other old Princes of Wales who lived through the other
two longest British reigns (George III and Victoria) died as King
before reaching their 69th birthdays...George IV before his 68th.
George V,whose record for oldest son of a Prince of Wales the
Duke of Cambridge should break in February,died at 70.

Next week the Queen marks 70 years of marriage...odds are next year
the Prince of Wales will turn 70 with two living parents.

I think this is the first revision to note the senior baronet.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII
was over 6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is now 69),
the future George V was over a month from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision to celebrate the royal engagement.

I note that:

The midpoint of the present reign has now moved into 1985

The reference point below has now reached 40 years before the Queen's
birth.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 21st 1886.

Queen Victoria,over a month short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is now 13 days past 69),
the future George V was over 6 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Now the two-thirds point of the current reign has moved into 1996.

I have made previous mention of the civil/diplomatic service mandatory
retirement age of 60,and I suppose I should note that since 2007 it has
not applied to new hires,and certain exemptions are also offered.
I do not know if the recent rises in pension age have policymaker
exemptions like laws in the USA that prevent factory workers but
not corporate executives from being pushed out at 65...for example,
if a CMG whose only available postings would be to head an embassy or
a Foreign Office department would be able to hang on hoping for a
chance at a post that would carry a knighthood,or whether he would
be retired while a consular clerk the same age would enjoy security.

However,I noted before the creep of the midpoint of the reign toward
the Queen's 60th birthday,and that if it is reached then the Queen
will have been seeing persons younger than she retired on account of age
for most of her reign...it might be tempting fate,but if Her Majesty
lasts long enough for the midpoint to reach February 1990,then most
of the reign will have seen those whose careers did not even begin
before the reign started being retired on account of age.

The below moves steadily deeper into the ironclad era for the
Royal Navy...HMS Victoria,which would sink in 1893,was not
launched until 1887,and various converted wooden-hulled ships
were not sold until 1886.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 29th 1886.

Queen Victoria,8 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is 5 weeks past 69),
the future George V was over 2 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A new year's update...noting that the midpoint of the current
reign has now reached that of the Reagan presidency (which
began almost 29 years after Her Majesty's accession and ended
almost 29 years ago).

The Thatcher-and-Diana years are likely to be recalled as the
middle years of this reign,but ever may the reign extend!
Next month the Duke of Cambridge becomes the oldest-ever son
of a Prince of Wales.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 12th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 69),
the future George V was over 2 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only five weeks past two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

An update for the 66th anniversary of the Queen's accession...
the last update before we get back to before Viscount Eversley(1794-1888)
became the oldest peer,or the Waterloo-veteran Lord Albemarle the oldest
Earl.

Of course a 66-year reign divides evenly into
33,22,and 11-year periods.From now on the middle
two-thirds of the reign will exceed 44 years.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 69),
the future George V was over 3 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 36),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was just days past two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

And now an update after the Duke of Cambridge has broken the
record for oldest son of a Prince of Wales,and the referenced
date has moved back past the death of the 2nd Earl of Stradbroke.

The current reign of course has an ever-moving midpoint now in
mid-February 1985,while those of past reigns are fixed (in
the case of Queen Victoria at April 6,1869).As occasionally
noted,the once unexceptional feat of living in six reigns
would take a lifespan of only 51 years 17 days if someone was
born January 21st 1901 (the day before Queen Victoria died)
and died February 7th 1952(the day after the current Queen's accession).

But longer lives than that could be centered on either midpoint,
with someone born in September 1843 and dying in October 1894
having over 6 years of Queen Victoria's reign with multiple changes
of government on either side,and someone born in August 1959 and
dying in August 2010 having missed about seven and a half years
at the start of this reign and an ever greater period recently
(from the time Queen Mary was alive and Churchill and Attlee
led their parties,to the entire engagement and marriage of the
Cambridges).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 25th 1886.

Queen Victoria,nearly 4 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 69),
the future George V was over 4 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 4 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than a week under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The referenced date is about to move back from 1886 to 1885,
which will be an eventful year for the file.
I actually should have reflected the Salisbury/Gladstone shift last time.
The most recent evolution is the move back past Attlee's third birthday.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 69),
the future George V was over 5 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than a month under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was about to return as Prime Minister
as a result of the first election in which most men could vote,and would
after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury (who was leaving
office after his (also brief) first term in office after replacing
Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The first posted version with an 1885 reference date.
The midpoint of the current reign is now in March 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 12th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 weeks past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 69),
the future George V was over 5 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was ongoing,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A Queen's Birthday revision.
(Today Her Majesty is 92...none of her predecessors ever reached 82).
The reference date now moves back before Churchill's 11th birthday
and into the life of the 12th Duke of Somerset.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 27th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 69),
the future George V was over 6 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was ongoing,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the wedding of the Duke of Sussex.

(Prince George is now months older than his grandfather was at
the most recent Coronation...and the reference date below now
has moved back into the time of a peer who acceded to his title
before Queen Victoria was born).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 12 days
from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 69),
the future George V was under 5 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 3 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was about to begin,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother not much over two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the 97th birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh.

Recent changes reflect the reference date's moving back into the
lifetime of the 1st Baron Strathnairn,and I took the time to
note the very early lieutenant-colonelcy of Lord Lucan (a
pre-Cardwell-reforms purchased commission,naturally).Also,
the 5th Baron Cottesloe died May 21st,at age 91...nine months
younger than the Queen,and years younger than his father
(1900-1994) and grandfather (1862-1956) lived to be,the
line being uniformly long-lived with the below-noted 1st
Baron (1798-1890) being succeeded by the 2nd(1830-1918).


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 6th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
a month from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 69),
the future George V was under 5 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was nearly 4 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote would soon begin,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision for the 36th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
the first person to reach that age while still son of the
Prince of Wales.

It's not that long since my last revision,but in the interval
we have seen the third Chief of the Defence Staff born in
the current reign give way to the fourth,and the deaths of
Lord Strathcona and Mount Royal (leaving only 15 hereditary
peers older than the Queen) and the 18th Earl of Eglinton,
and the annual Garter Ceremony,which saw the installation of
the first non-royal Knight Companion to have been born in
the current reign (the 3rd Viscount Brookeborough,who turns 66
at the end of the month).

In the reference file,note the debut of the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1885.

Queen Victoria,barely 4 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 70),
the future George V was under 4 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 4 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury had yet to reach the midpoint of his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Today's revision is for the 5th birthday of Prince George of Cambridge.

HRH becomes the third son of a son of a Prince of Wales to reach that
age,following Edward VIII in June 1898 and George VI in December 1900
(the month before his grandfather became King).In forty days he becomes
second-oldest ever son of a son of Prince of Wales,and stands to set
a new record in February 2020 should the Queen and Prince of Wales
still be living then.

I thought I'd go into a few ancillary records that have yet to be
broken (the record for oldest Sovereign was broken a decade ago!),
their likelihood of being broken of course receding in accord with
how far into the future this would happen.

Kaiser Wilhelm II was the oldest-ever grandchild of a British Sovereign,
turning 42 five days after Queen Victoria died...Peter Phillips turns 42
in November 2019.
Queen Victoria's second grandchild and oldest granddaughter
(Charlotte of Prussia,later Duchess of Saxe-Meiningen) was almost
6 months past 40 when Victoria died,Zara Phillips would get there
in November 2021.
Prince William,Duke of Cambridge,is already the oldest-ever son of a
Prince of Wales,and was born the Queen's third grandchild;
Queen Victoria's third grandchild was Prince Heinrich (Henry) of Prussia,
born in August 1862,so Prince William would beat that if he lives five
months past 38 (November 2020).

Princess Charlotte (born May 2015) would pass George VI as the
oldest second child of a son of a Prince of Wales in June 2020
(but the late Princess Royal Countess of Harewood as oldest daughter
of a son of a Prince of Wales in January 2019).

Prince Louis(born April 2018) would pass the Princess Royal Countess
of Harewood as oldest third child of a son of a Prince of Wales in
January 2022,but George VI as oldest second son of a son of a
Prince of Wales in early June 2023.

Records for grandchildren of a Prince of Wales are a bit more demanding
as Edward VII's eldest daughter had her children before his son had his
(Princess Alexandra Duchess of Fife in May 1891 and Princess Maud
Countess of Southesk in April 1893).

For Prince George to beat Princess Alexandra,his grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in March 2023;
for Princess Charlotte to beat Princess Maud,her grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in January 2023;
For Prince Louis to beat Edward VIII,his grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in November 2024.

As for the overall record for great-grandchild of a sovereign,
Queen Victoria died when Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen was 8 months
past 21...Savannah Phillips was born in the closing days of 2010
and would have to get most of the way through 2032 with the Queen
alive at 106!

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 28th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 70),
the future George V was under 3 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 5 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury had yet to reach the midpoint of his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

After eight and a half years of revisions,
four months into the Queen's ninety-third year
and two months into the Duke of Cambridge's 37th,
I am thrilled to post the update marking the debut
of Sir Moses Montefiore.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 27th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 70),
the future George V was under 8 weeks past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 2 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 6 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury was early in his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The midpoint of the current reign has moved into June 1985
as the reference date in the file moves back through June 1885.
(I started in February 2010 referencing February 1894...when the
regnal midpoint was in February 1981).

Note this time that we have moved back past the keel-laying of a
ship sunk in 1893.

-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 12th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 3 weeks past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 6 weeks from 70),
the future George V was only 9 days past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 5 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His recent government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which established the norm of single-member constituencies) but these
had yet to actually come into effect with the following election and the
latter had not yet received Royal Assent.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

With this revision the considered date has reached the 50th anniversary of the
accession of Queen Victoria (June 20th 1837).
I believe the formal celebration was on June 21st 1887 which was also the
date on which the Earl of Lucan was promoted to Field Marshal (though he
had not held a command post since his infamous tenure at the cavalry
division at Balaclava).

Once we get back to December 1886 an even older Field Marshal will show up.

The Prince of Wales has just passed the age at which George IV died
(67 years 318 days).

-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 20th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 4 weeks past 68,was on the throne,in the week of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 7 weeks from 68),
the future George V was under 3 weeks past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor
since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A bit early to post a revision,but I wanted to mark the death of
Sir Edward Ashmore,last Admiral of the Fleet over whose head
Prince Philip was promoted to that rank in 1953...he was then
a Commander and the Prince a Lieutenant-Commander.He was the last
service chief to have retired before the moving midpoint of the
present reign,having stepped down as CDS in 1977 while the midpoint
is now in late March 1984...we shall see if the surviving five-star
officers who retired in 1985 are still with us when the midpoint
passes their retirement dates.

Princess Charlotte,of course,is now a year old,and as previously
noted shares the London apartment the Queen remembers as home to
Princess Louise Duchess of Argyll(1848-1939).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 15th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 69,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under a week past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past
67),the future George V was over 6 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

As promised last time,a revision recognizing that the frontier
has worked back into 1887.

Even in May 2080,the Queen will have reigned for most of
the time since her accession.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 28th 1887.

Queen Victoria,nearly 5 months from 69,was on the throne,years closer to
her recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
only 7 weeks past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past
67),the future George V was over 5 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 3 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was four,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

A revision in honor of the birth of the new youngest descendant of
the Queen (who can't match the Queen's present age until 2104).
The midpoint of the Queen's reign is now in late September 1983.
The main change in the text is the debut of Lord Portman.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 15th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
a week past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 66),
the future George V was over 6 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
about 7 weeks from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was a little over 6 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

This revision debuts an Earl notable for one of the most dubious
promotions to Field Marshal in history.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 30th 1888.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
recent Golden than later Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over a
week from 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 66),
the future George V was under 5 months past 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 6 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

An update in honor of HM completing 63 years on the Throne...the midpoint
of the reign is now in August 1983,and the one-third points in February
1973 and February 1994.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1889.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 66),
the future George V was nearly 4 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 9 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was six,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

The new coin portrait has been unveiled,designed by an artist born in
1981,years before the midpoint of the present reign.
This revision debuts a marquess...

-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 15th 1889.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 66),
the future George V was over 4 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was a bit under 8 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was six,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Graham]

Post by Louis Epstein
The new coin portrait has been unveiled,designed by an artist born in
1981,years before the midpoint of the present reign.
This revision debuts a marquess...
-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 15th 1889.
Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 66),
the future George V was over 4 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.

NB that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Augusta_of_Hesse-Kassel was still alive. She had been born in 1797, had been a daughter-in-law of George III and Queen Charlotte in their lifetimes, and was the widow of an uncle of Queen Victoria. She was also the 4G grandmother of the present Duke of Cambridge and the 5G grandmother of Prince George of Cambridge. Her Present Majesty may well have heard an eyewitness description of her from Queen Mary.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Graham

Post by Louis Epstein
The new coin portrait has been unveiled,designed by an artist born in
1981,years before the midpoint of the present reign.
This revision debuts a marquess...
-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 15th 1889.
Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 66),
the future George V was over 4 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.

NB that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Augusta_of_Hesse-Kassel
was still alive. She had been born in 1797, had been a daughter-in-law
of George III and Queen Charlotte in their lifetimes, and was the widow
of an uncle of Queen Victoria.

Would she be considered the oldest British royal at the time,then?

Post by Graham
She was also the 4G grandmother of the present Duke of Cambridge and

(and widow,to be specific,of a Duke of Cambridge)

Post by Graham
the 5G grandmother of Prince George of Cambridge. Her Present Majesty
may well have heard an eyewitness description of her from Queen Mary.

Just as Prince George may hear eyewitness descriptions of Princess
Louise,Duchess of Argyll (1848-1939) from the Queen,when HM visits
the apartment where the Prince now lives and Princess once lived.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

With any date in 1889 now closer to the accession of Queen Elizabeth II
than we are at the present time,we move back into 1888...and this revision
has the debut appearance of a notable Viscount.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 26th 1888.

Queen Victoria,nearly 5 months from 70,was on the throne,years closer to her
past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 47 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 66),
the future George V was over 5 months from 24(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 33),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was under 8 months old.

Chamberlain and Churchill were teenagers,Attlee was five,and no later Prime
Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after
2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive (the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Donald4564]

Is there anyone born before 1848 that H.M. The Queen might have been likely to have met?

Regards
Donald Binks

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Donald4564
Is there anyone born before 1848 that H.M. The Queen might have been likely to have met?

Hard to tell on the whole...among extended family connections,she may
have encountered her aunt's father-in-law the 5th Earl of Harewood
(1846-1929),her mother had been a bridesmaid at her aunt's 1922 wedding;
among upper degrees of Scottish peers,the 1st Marquess of Aberdeen and
Temair (1847-1934) and 19th Earl of Morton (1844-1935) died late enough
that she could remember them,as did the 2nd Earl Kitchener(1847-1938).
(Lord Aberdeen was a Knight of the Thistle,Lord Morton a Scottish
Representative Peer).

If Admirals of the Fleet were periodically encountered at court etc.
she would be likelier to remember Sir Arthur Fanshawe (1847-1936) than
Lord Walter Kerr(1839-1927) or Sir Edward Seymour(1840-1929).
Among Field Marshals,she might recall the 3rd Baron Methuen,
1845-1932.

Post by Donald4564
Regards
Donald Binks

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Graham]

Post by Donald4564
Is there anyone born before 1848 that H.M. The Queen might have been likely to have met?

Her great-great-aunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Feodorovna_(Dagmar_of_Denmark) (sister of Queen Alexandra) lived long enough to see her.

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Post by Louis Epstein
The midpoint of her reign travels steadily through May 1983,
the time of Margaret Thatcher's second election.Since the last
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 23rd 1889.
Queen Victoria,under 2 months past 70,was on the throne,years closer to
her past Golden than upcoming Diamond Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 3 months from 48 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from
66),the future George V was under 8 weeks past 24(the Duke of Cambridge
is over 2 months past 32),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Bradford,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...that of Wakefield (now abolished,along with Bradford,
in a reorganization after 125 years) was months past a year old.
Churchill was a teenager,Attlee was six,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Warren Hayes,born 1799,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

You seem very knowledgeable about titles, succession, etc., do you mind if I ask you a few questions unrelated to this post? Please email me when you have a chance. Thank you, Lana

[Count Gudenus]

Why can you instead of Consider this ... not put down a clear title that everybody understands?

Like

UK, Prince of ..., Consider his age, or his travel to the ... Ilands, etc

Formulate new, ad eventually: first posted ...

[Count Gudenus]

Le jeudi 28 août 2014 00:01:16 UTC+2, Louis Epstein a écrit :

This, what kind of Sauce tartare is to be understood by "This"

[Count Gudenus]

Le jeudi 28 août 2014 00:01:16 UTC+2, Louis Epstein a écrit :
All sheer nonsense for those not interested in ALT.Talk.ROYALRY part Britain

[Ind_duke]

A very unique thread indeed!! I would like to add that Prince Philip has also overtaken the record of Queen Sirikit of Thailand as the longest ever serving consort of a reigning monarch in world history. I cannot find evidence of any other Queen or Prince Consort in world history who served for a longer time as consort than Prince Philip. Most monarchs who have reigned longer than the Queen succeeded to the throne as children and hence this record is very difficult to be broken in the future.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Ind_duke
A very unique thread indeed!! I would like to add that Prince Philip
has also overtaken the record of Queen Sirikit of Thailand as the
longest ever serving consort of a reigning monarch in world history. I
cannot find evidence of any other Queen or Prince Consort in world
history who served for a longer time as consort than Prince Philip. Most
monarchs who have reigned longer than the Queen succeeded to the throne
as children and hence this record is very difficult to be broken in the
future.

I believe the late Prince Mikasa's 75-year marriage was the longest
in world royal history...the Queen and Duke have about four more years
to go to beat that.Prince Johann of Liechtenstein (reigned 1858-1929)
succeeded when barely adult as did Franz Joseph of Austria...I believe
they and the late Thai King are the only "un-regented" sovereigns ever
fully documented as reigning longer than the Queen.

The Queen has now reigned over two thirds of a century...here is my
file as it sits (the reference date having just pushed George V back
into his teens)...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 1st 1885.

Queen Victoria,barely a week past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under a month from 70),
the future George V was 2 days from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under 4 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which established the norm of single-member constituencies) but these
had yet to actually come into effect with the following election and the
latter had not yet received Royal Assent.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.


-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.