Discussion:
changes to the ATR FAQ (part 1: Britain)
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Francois R. Velde
2005-07-01 13:35:02 UTC
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What follows are the changes made to the ATR FAQ since the last posting.
The changes are presented as output of the "diff -c" Unix utility. Each
change is separated by a line with a dozen *'s. A certain amount of context
is provided for each change. Within that context, the lines removed from
the previous version are marked with '-'; those added to the new version
are marked '+'. Lines that are changed from one file to the other are
marked in both files with '!'.


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François R. Velde
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j***@prodigy.net
2005-07-03 18:53:50 UTC
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Francois,

You might wish to make the following addition to the next edition of
the Brit FAQ.

Under 27. Which members of the royal family are entitled to "HRH"?

At present, there are eighteen members of the Royal Family who are
entitled to the style HRH:

1. HRH The Prince of Wales (the child of a sovereign)
[insert 2. HRH The Duchess of Cornwall (the wife of a son of the a
sovereign)]
3. HRH Prince William of Wales (the child of a son of a sovereign)
4. HRH Prince Henry of Wales (the child of a son of a sovereign)
5. HRH The Duke of York (the child of a sovereign)
6. HRH Princess Beatrice of York (the child of a son of a sovereign)
7. HRH Princess Eugenie of York (the child of a son of a sovereign)
8. HRH The Earl of Wessex (the child of a sovereign)
9. HRH The Countess of Wessex (the wife of a son of a sovereign)
10. HRH The Princess Royal (the child of a sovereign)
[delete 11. HRH Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester (the wife of a
son of a sovereign)
11. HRH The Duke of Gloucester (the child of a son of a sovereign)
12. HRH The Duchess of Gloucester (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
13. HRH The Duke of Kent (the child of a son of a sovereign)
14. HRH The Duchess of Kent (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
15. HRH Princess Alexandra, the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (the child of a son of
a sovereign)
16. HRH Prince Michael of Kent (the child of a son of a sovereign)
17. HRH Princess Michael of Kent (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
18. HRH The Duke of Edinburgh
Isadore
2005-07-04 01:53:52 UTC
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Post by j***@prodigy.net
Francois,
You might wish to make the following addition to the next edition of
the Brit FAQ.
Under 27. Which members of the royal family are entitled to "HRH"?
At present, there are eighteen members of the Royal Family who are
1. HRH The Prince of Wales (the child of a sovereign)
[insert 2. HRH The Duchess of Cornwall (the wife of a son of the a
sovereign)]
3. HRH Prince William of Wales (the child of a son of a sovereign)
4. HRH Prince Henry of Wales (the child of a son of a sovereign)
5. HRH The Duke of York (the child of a sovereign)
6. HRH Princess Beatrice of York (the child of a son of a sovereign)
7. HRH Princess Eugenie of York (the child of a son of a sovereign)
8. HRH The Earl of Wessex (the child of a sovereign)
9. HRH The Countess of Wessex (the wife of a son of a sovereign)
10. HRH The Princess Royal (the child of a sovereign)
[delete 11. HRH Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester (the wife of a
son of a sovereign)
11. HRH The Duke of Gloucester (the child of a son of a sovereign)
12. HRH The Duchess of Gloucester (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
13. HRH The Duke of Kent (the child of a son of a sovereign)
14. HRH The Duchess of Kent (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
15. HRH Princess Alexandra, the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (the child of a son of
a sovereign)
16. HRH Prince Michael of Kent (the child of a son of a sovereign)
17. HRH Princess Michael of Kent (the wife of a child of a son of a
sovereign)
18. HRH The Duke of Edinburgh
Louise, the daughter of TRH the Earl and Countess of Wessex, is entitled to
the HRH. It is merely by agreement that it is not being used. But whatever
the legality of the press release, Louise is entitled to the style.
Stan Brown
2005-07-04 04:36:27 UTC
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Post by j***@prodigy.net
Francois,
You might wish to make the following addition to the next edition of
the Brit FAQ.
Under 27. Which members of the royal family are entitled to "HRH"?
At present, there are eighteen members of the Royal Family who are
Eighteen and a half. :-) It is by no means clear whether Louise,
daughter of Edward and Sophie, is an HRH or not.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Royalty FAQs:
1. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html
2. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/atrfaq.htm
sportsfreaker
2006-09-25 21:02:08 UTC
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Post by Stan Brown
Post by j***@prodigy.net
Francois,
You might wish to make the following addition to the next edition of
the Brit FAQ.
Under 27. Which members of the royal family are entitled to "HRH"?
At present, there are eighteen members of the Royal Family who are
Eighteen and a half. :-) It is by no means clear whether Louise,
daughter of Edward and Sophie, is an HRH or not.
Its not in doubt she is entitled to the HRH, but its been her parents CHOICE
to not allow it to be used. She is a grandchild of the Sovereign through
male issue. Much like Lady Patricia Ramsey. She was entitled to be an HRH to
her death, but she CHOOSE to not use it.
CJ Buyers
2006-09-26 08:27:40 UTC
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Post by sportsfreaker
Post by Stan Brown
Post by j***@prodigy.net
Francois,
You might wish to make the following addition to the next edition of
the Brit FAQ.
Under 27. Which members of the royal family are entitled to "HRH"?
At present, there are eighteen members of the Royal Family who are
Eighteen and a half. :-) It is by no means clear whether Louise,
daughter of Edward and Sophie, is an HRH or not.
Its not in doubt she is entitled to the HRH, but its been her parents CHOICE
to not allow it to be used. She is a grandchild of the Sovereign through
male issue. Much like Lady Patricia Ramsey. She was entitled to be an HRH to
her death, but she CHOOSE to not use it.
Actually you are correct that it is absolutely clear, but what is clear
is precisely the opposite of what you say. Her parents have no choice
in the matter and neither does she.

It is the Queen who decides what titles her family may use and she has
chosen that this grandchild should not be HRH or a princess.

Legally, the Queen has the right to make those decisions for her
family. How she chooses to communicate such a decision to the likes of
you and me isn't specified anywhere in law, either statute or common.
She can, if she likes, use her own government newspaper (the London
Gazette) to make her intentions known, but there is no legal principle
saying that she must. She may use press announcements to specify their
individual titles if she prefers, just as she frequently does when a
new bride marries into the family or a widowhood arises.

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