Discussion:
If Prince William marry, will hs wife be Princess of Wales?
(too old to reply)
Mike
2005-02-17 21:12:42 UTC
Permalink
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales? And if
Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?

What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?

Michael
S***@aol.com
2005-02-17 21:53:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales? And if
Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
Michael
If Charles becomes King, then William' wife would become the Princess
of Wales, once William is officially given the title. If William
outlives Charles while the Queen is on the throne, she would have to
create William, Prince of Wales in order for his wife to be the
Princess of Wales. Which she probably would not do, since she would
have lost her eldest son and heir, who held the title for over 45+
years.

Of course, the next Princess of Wales will be Camilla - if the wedding
happens, regardless of the Duchess of Cornwall smokescreen which
Clarence House seems to think we will all swallow.

Harry will more than likely be given a royal dukedom if he marries
during the queen's lifetime, or when (if) Charles or William ascend the
throne. The title Duke of York has been given to the second sons of the
sovereigns pretty consistently, but Andrew is only 45 - so my guess
would be that Harry would receive another dukedom.

Royal dukedoms in the recent past have included: York, Gloucester, and
Kent (all currently in use); Clarence (this was William IV's title
before he became King, but it carries unhappy memories of Prince Eddy -
eldest son of Edward VII); Edinburgh (in use); Connaught & Strathearn;
Albany & Cumberland (neither of these may technically be available - I
believe there was a discussion here a few months ago on them); Sussex,
Cambridge.

Hope this helps.
Louis Epstein
2005-02-18 15:03:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by Mike
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales? And
if Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
Michael
If Charles becomes King, then William' wife would become the Princess
of Wales, once William is officially given the title. If William
outlives Charles while the Queen is on the throne, she would have to
create William, Prince of Wales in order for his wife to be the
Princess of Wales. Which she probably would not do, since she would
have lost her eldest son and heir, who held the title for over 45+
years.
I find it difficult to believe that the Queen would withhold the
title from William,when every previous Heir Apparent becoming
Heir Apparent on the death of another has been duly created Prince
of Wales in short order.
Post by S***@aol.com
Harry will more than likely be given a royal dukedom if he marries
during the queen's lifetime, or when (if) Charles or William ascend the
throne. The title Duke of York has been given to the second sons of the
sovereigns pretty consistently, but Andrew is only 45 - so my guess
would be that Harry would receive another dukedom.
Cambridge or Sussex seem the leading candidates for the sons
of the Prince of Wales...
Post by S***@aol.com
Royal dukedoms in the recent past have included: York, Gloucester, and
Kent (all currently in use); Clarence (this was William IV's title
before he became King, but it carries unhappy memories of Prince Eddy -
eldest son of Edward VII); Edinburgh (in use); Connaught & Strathearn;
Albany & Cumberland (neither of these may technically be available - I
believe there was a discussion here a few months ago on them); Sussex,
Cambridge.
Albany and Cumberland are not available,
Connaught would be politically troublesome.

Clarence,Avondale,and Strathearn are all possible
(whether in combination or alone) and not "new",
but there is nothing to stop a new title being used.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
S***@colorado.edu
2005-02-19 08:52:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by S***@aol.com
If Charles becomes King, then William' wife would become the Princess
of Wales, once William is officially given the title. If William
outlives Charles while the Queen is on the throne, she would have to
create William, Prince of Wales in order for his wife to be the
Princess of Wales. Which she probably would not do, since she would
have lost her eldest son and heir, who held the title for over 45+
years.
Over 45 years? As of right now, Charles has been PoW for just under 36
years. He was invested with the title on 1 July 1969. If the queen
lives another 9 years, 4 months, and 9 days, THEN Charles will have
been PoW for "45+ years."
S***@aol.com
2005-02-19 14:42:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by S***@colorado.edu
Over 45 years? As of right now, Charles has been PoW for just under 36
years. He was invested with the title on 1 July 1969. If the queen
lives another 9 years, 4 months, and 9 days, THEN Charles will have
been PoW for "45+ years."
QE II gave Charles the title "Prince of Wales" in 1958 - the formal
ceremony did not take place until 1969.
chrissynow
2005-02-19 23:44:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by S***@aol.com
Post by S***@colorado.edu
Over 45 years? As of right now, Charles has been PoW for just under
36
Post by S***@colorado.edu
years. He was invested with the title on 1 July 1969. If the queen
lives another 9 years, 4 months, and 9 days, THEN Charles will have
been PoW for "45+ years."
QE II gave Charles the title "Prince of Wales" in 1958 - the formal
ceremony did not take place until 1969.
The Queen announced the creation of Charles as Prince of Wales at the end of
the Empire and Commonwealth Games held in Cardiff in 1958. She also
announced at that time that she would present him to the Welsh people at
Carnarvon Castle at a later date, which she did in 1969. This is known as
the Investiture, which is not necessary in making a Prince The Prince of
Wales. Edward VIII had a similar investiture ceremony but neither his
father or grandfather did. I doubt if the earlier Hanoverians did either
but have no proof either way.

While he was at school in Australia in 1966 he was always referred to as the
Prince of Wales.

He was, of course, Duke of Cornwall et. al. from the 6th February, 1952.
The Queen could have created him Prince of Wales at any time after that but
chose to do so in Wales in 1958. He has therefore been the Prince of Wales
since 1958, which is over 45 years.
Stan Brown
2005-02-18 22:51:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales?
At present William is not Prince of Wales, so his wife can't be
Princess of Wales. If William marries when he is rince of Wales, or
if he becomes Prince of Wales after marrying, the yes, his wife
will be Princess of Wales.
Post by Mike
And if Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?
Yes.
Post by Mike
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king?
He would be exactly what he is now, Prince Harry (or Henry) of
Wales. It's possible that her present Majesty, or Charles or
William as King, would give him an extra title, but nothing will
hapen automatically.
Post by Mike
And what would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
Not unless Harry is made a duke. The wife of "Prince Harry of
Wales" is "Princess Harry of Wales".
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Royalty FAQs:
1. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html
2. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/atrfaq.htm
Yvonne's HRH page: http://users.uniserve.com/~canyon/prince.html
more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/faqget.htm
m***@gmail.com
2005-02-19 03:39:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales?
Well, Prince William is not Prince of Wales. He may be called "HRH
Prince William of Wales" in title, but he is not Prince of Wales. He is
Prince of the United Kingdom. She will be called "HRH Princess William
of Wales" by default, though he may be given a dukedom, making her "HRH
The Duchess of ________".
Post by Mike
And if
Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?
Yes.
Post by Mike
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
By default, "HRH Princess Henry of Wales." If he is given a dukedom,
she would be "HRH The Duchess of ________".
Louis Epstein
2005-02-19 15:11:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Mike
If Prince William marry, will his wife be the Princess of Wales?
Well, Prince William is not Prince of Wales. He may be called "HRH
Prince William of Wales" in title, but he is not Prince of Wales. He is
Prince of the United Kingdom. She will be called "HRH Princess William
of Wales" by default, though he may be given a dukedom, making her "HRH
The Duchess of ________".
Post by Mike
And if
Prince William become king, will his wife be Queen?
Yes.
Post by Mike
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
By default, "HRH Princess Henry of Wales." If he is given a dukedom,
she would be "HRH The Duchess of ________".
Isn't it unlikely that Prince Henry would remain "of Wales"?
If his father became King that would make him "HRH The Prince Henry",
and if his father were bypassed the "of Wales" would still be a bad fit
considering that it would imply descent from William through his heir
apparent...

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Graham Truesdale
2005-02-19 23:13:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Mike
What would Prince Henry be then if his brother become king? And what
would be Prince Henry's wife title, Duchess?
By default, "HRH Princess Henry of Wales." If he is given a dukedom,
she would be "HRH The Duchess of ________".
Isn't it unlikely that Prince Henry would remain "of Wales"?
If his father became King that would make him "HRH The Prince Henry",
and if his father were bypassed the "of Wales" would still be a bad fit
considering that it would imply descent from William through his heir
apparent...
What were the titles of George III's brothers between his accession to
the throne and his conferring dukedoms on them? They had been
Princes Edward, William and Henry of Wales in the lifetime of their
father Frederick Prince of Wales (died 1751 in the lifetime of his father
and their grandfather George II). Presumably they continued to be such
until George II died on 25th October 1760 (with the exception of Edward,
whom his.grandfather had created Duke of York on 1st April that year).
Were William and Henry still 'of Wales' in their brother's reign, despite
not being sons of a monarch? Yvonne Demoskoff
http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~canyon/titles.html
calls each of them 'Prince of Great Britain and Ireland', including Edward,
who as stated above was the grandson of the King through the deceased
Prince of Wales at the time.
m***@gmail.com
2005-02-21 02:45:21 UTC
Permalink
Well, it is definitely possible Prince Henry could marry before his
grandmother's death.

Continue reading on narkive:
Loading...