Update on the Trafficking in Papal, Italain and San Marinan Orders

[p***@hotmail.com]

Dear Readers of the rec.heraldry and alt.talk.royalty fourms,

On the 27th of November 2004, I started a thread on the trafficking of
fraudulent Papal Orders, in an earlier thread I mentioned that
fraudulent orders of the Republic of Italy were also being trafficked,
now with the receipt of a scan of a very badly designed brevet of the
Order of Saint Agatha bearing the signature of a non-existant offical
and a fake seal, we can add another sovereign state, the Serene
Republic of San Marino, that has fallen victim to this scheme selling
forged brevets.

According to extremely reliable sources, the principal in this scheme
has been arrested in Italy and is know free on bail. The pricipal's
American assistant,who is a prominent Knight of Malta, is currently
being investigated by the SMOM and his name has been brought to the
attention of the Vatican Substitute Secretary of State(whose signature
had been forged)in a recent meeting. As many of the victims are in the
United States, it remains to be seen if they will step forward and try
to recover their losses through either civil or criminal courts.

I shall keep the readers of this forum up to date as new information
come to light.

David Pritchard

[p***@hotmail.com]

I have received many private e-mails regarding the orders scheme. Most
want to either offer up more names of those involved or see if their
friends who recetly started wearing Vatican orders at formal functions
received them legitimately. Below are a few such examples:

"The man behind this, Pozzi, has been arrested and charged and is out
on bail. The investigation continues. I would like to know some more
names."

"It seems that over 20 fake papal orders were sold in the USA, 20 in
Italy, 30 in Australia and many more throughout the world. If this is
true, there is a major scandal."

"This is incredible! I dont think Prince X is really aware of how
serious and widespread this is. If you felt like it, I would recommend
sending him a list of names suspected so he can check them against his
records and take action accordingly."

"Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the recent St. Gregory "boom". A
few other names to add to your rap sheet - Sx Wx, Jx Dx, Ax Rx, Kx Cx
"de Saint-Sauveur", Mx Sx (not surprisingly), and of course, a Mr. X X
from Chicago. All sporting very realistic looking St. Gregorys of
fairly recent vintage. If you run across any of these names in the
course of your inquiry, I'd appreciate knowing it.There are, of course,
traceable links between X and Pozzi via the Italian would-be "Princess
Yasmin Hohenstaufen", the fellow who claims to be the heir of Tiberias
and the Russian czars (simultaneously),and Sxxxxxxxxi-Nxxxxa. It
wouldn't be hard to produce a flow chart."

I will continue to keep this fourm updated on this important issue.
Please feel free to e-mail me privately for more information.

David Pritchard

Post by p***@hotmail.com
Dear Readers of the rec.heraldry and alt.talk.royalty fourms,
On the 27th of November 2004, I started a thread on the trafficking of
fraudulent Papal Orders, in an earlier thread I mentioned that
fraudulent orders of the Republic of Italy were also being trafficked,
now with the receipt of a scan of a very badly designed brevet of the
Order of Saint Agatha bearing the signature of a non-existant offical
and a fake seal, we can add another sovereign state, the Serene
Republic of San Marino, that has fallen victim to this scheme selling
forged brevets.
According to extremely reliable sources, the principal in this scheme
has been arrested in Italy and is know free on bail. The pricipal's
American assistant,who is a prominent Knight of Malta, is currently
being investigated by the SMOM and his name has been brought to the
attention of the Vatican Substitute Secretary of State(whose signature
had been forged)in a recent meeting. As many of the victims are in the
United States, it remains to be seen if they will step forward and try
to recover their losses through either civil or criminal courts.
I shall keep the readers of this forum up to date as new information
come to light.
David Pritchard

[Andrew]

Post by p***@hotmail.com
I have received many private e-mails regarding the orders scheme. Most
want to either offer up more names of those involved or see if their
friends who recetly started wearing Vatican orders at formal functions
"The man behind this, Pozzi, has been arrested and charged and is out
on bail. The investigation continues. I would like to know some more
names."
"It seems that over 20 fake papal orders were sold in the USA, 20 in
Italy, 30 in Australia and many more throughout the world. If this is
true, there is a major scandal."

It is impossible that this man hold genuine Papal honour. The
procedure to bestow any papal knighthood is very bureaucratic, long (at
least 1 year from the nomination, except by motu proprio of the
Sovereign Pontiff), contains a lot of stages and officials evolved in
the matter, all diplomas for knightly awards signed and sealed by State
Secretary and has its identification numbers, comes by diplomatic post.
It is totally impossible to buy any genuine papal knighthood or any
other Papal honours. If somebody who styled himself as " Lord
So-and-So, Knight of Garter" and wear Garter decorations for the
clownish masquerade will be arrested for illegal usage of the British
Honour, it is not means that he has purchased the honours from the
Crown, but certainly he is a simple swindler and all his decorations
and papers are false.

[p***@hotmail.com]

Dear Andrew,

I agree with your post. The schemers claim that the Papal orders are
being granted through a secret and seldom used protocol of the
Secretary of State's office. A protocol which does not appear in the
Statutes of the Orders.

On the fake San Marinan titles and orders being sold, I have an e-mail
from a longtime resident of San Marino giving his opinion of the
scheme:
...................................................................

this is joke of the worst taste!

TITLE OF BARON

The grants of nobiliary titles is forbidden in San Marino from 1980.
In the past until 1976 (the last nobiliary title granted) the titles
were registered by the Capitani Reggenti (Reggent Captains) that are
the Heads of the State and the nobiliary law requested the signature of
them on the document.
The nobiliary titles had always also the grant of a coat of arms and
with a coat of arms illuminated in the document.
The document was of 4 pages.

The title of Baron of Serravalle is absurd because Serravalle is one of
the nine castle or better territorial counties of the State.
There is no title given with the name of Castelli (counties), the tiles
were given on little part of the territory, a tower was connected to
the title of count. Also an higest title as duke was connected a very
little part a county.

The Segretario di Stato is a charge not existing becuase it must be
specified which kind of Segretario di Stato (there are many).
Mr Tadini does not exist and this is not a surname of San Marino.

GRAND CROSS OF ORDER OF ST AGATA

Another fakness!!!
The diploma is completely fake.
The diplomas are completely different from this.
The grant is signed by the Captains Regent and signed also by the
Secretary of State of Foreign Affairs!
The names are written by hand.
All the text is ridiculous and without sense.

How much did the person pay for these absurdities?
If he wants I can help him bring the documents to the Goverment of San
Marino.
According to the date the signature of the Grand Cross must be Fabio
Berardi (Segretario degli Esteri) and Giuseppe Arzilli e Roberto Raschi
(Regent Captain)

Completely fake
..........................................................................

The names of more and more buyers are being discovered every week.
Someone made a good income from this scheme!

David Pritchard

Post by Andrew
It is impossible that this man hold genuine Papal honour. The
procedure to bestow any papal knighthood is very bureaucratic, long (at
least 1 year from the nomination, except by motu proprio of the
Sovereign Pontiff), contains a lot of stages and officials evolved in
the matter, all diplomas for knightly awards signed and sealed by State
Secretary and has its identification numbers, comes by diplomatic post.
It is totally impossible to buy any genuine papal knighthood or any
other Papal honours. If somebody who styled himself as " Lord
So-and-So, Knight of Garter" and wear Garter decorations for the
clownish masquerade will be arrested for illegal usage of the British
Honour, it is not means that he has purchased the honours from the
Crown, but certainly he is a simple swindler and all his decorations
and papers are false.

[Andrew]

I have before my eyes the completely list of titled nobles of the SR of
San Marino. There is not such Baron. The only baron with surname
started on the 'S' is a Schindler (surname) Baron de Ceretto, from
Hungary. The only person of baronial rank with a title started on 'S'
is Jankrovska surname) Baroness of Seggiano, from Russia.
There is not banding on granting titles of nobility in San-Marino, but
there is a termless moratory which can be disrupted at any moment,
however. And, in my best knowledge it will be officially disrupted very
soon for the state financial reason and because a lot of requests. But
for now it is impossible to be granted nobility or patriciat from the
SR of San Marino.

[Andrew]

PS
The last European hole with possibility simply and legally obtain
(through clever financial scheme) a title of nobility was closed in
Scotland on 28 November 2004. The Holy See nowadays (of time John Paul
II pontificate) has granted titles not simply very rare, but VERY rare.
Since 1978 was granted 14 titles, 12 of Count and 2 of Marquis. All
grants were upon roman-catholic holders of papal knighthoods of high
degree and by the requests of number of members of highest clergy each.
No any Roman Patriciat was granted. The only King of Belgians, King of
Spain and King of Tonga grants hereditary nobility titles on regular
base, but with two first monarchs no any scheme ( financial or any
other) certainly will not be working.

[p***@hotmail.com]

Andrew,

The really sad thing about this entire fake Papal orders scam is that
it damages the prestige of the real Papal orders. If for some reason as
an example, I were ever to do something worthy of a Papal order, I
would rather receive the simple Benemerenti medal rather than a Papal
order because no one has been selling fake versions of this decoration.
Who wants to receive a real decoration and then have everyone doubt its
veracity?

David Pritchard

[Andrew]

David,
Do not worry about it. If this honour is genuine (knighthood) you must
use it with great pride. I personally have 2 honours from the Holy See.
I am a Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Knight
Commander with Star ( Knight Grand Commander) of the Pontifical
Equestrian Order of St.Gregory. I may confirm for you that the
procedure to get any honour of such type is very bureaucratic, and if
you will meet wit sucess to got this honour you will got yours
identification code as well. Such code is depicted on each diploma on
the beck side. Your Deed of Knighthood (including all and whole
letters, nominations, supports, extract of the decree, copy of diploma,
etc) will be keeping in the Secretariat of the Holy See forever.
Everybody who have any doubt about your knighthood may check in
Apostolic Nunciature through which you got your knighthood, becouse
such honours are rare and it is obligatory recorded in embassy. I know
several events when holders of such honours lost their diplomas of
knighthood ( fire, thief, other disasters). They simply lodged the
petition to Apostolic Nuncio ask him to request the State Secretary to
authorise a preparation of new copies of diplomas. In several months
the State Secretariat send to them their restored documents safe and
sound. Do not mix genuine and fake things for your mind. For example,
SMOM knighthood is genuine, but more then 100 self-styled fraudulent
"Orders of Malta" sell fake «Knighthood in the Order of Malta".
Dilatants every time confuse genuine Order of Malta with fake "Orders
of Malta" and may not believe that your genuine SMOM knighthood is
genuine knighthood. But SMOM honours remain genuine but fake remain
ridiculous. The same situation with San Marino titles of nobility
mentioned before. If somebody bear genuine title from this sovereign
body why this noblemen must to be worry about there are a lot of fakers
with phony titles. The same situation with UK passports even. But why
holder of genuine UK passport must be worry about a problem of
swindlers. You must be calm. If genuine Order (same with currency) was
counterfeited by swindlers, it is a mark of respect to this Order ( or
to currency) from the people and states. Nobody counterfeits Orders of
Somali for example.

[p***@hotmail.com]

Good news!

I have just learned that one of the American victims of the fraudulent
Papal orders scheme has decided to pursue this matter with the United
States Federal Bureau of Investigation.

David

[Sean J Murphy]

Post by p***@hotmail.com
Good news!
I have just learned that one of the American victims of the fraudulent
Papal orders scheme has decided to pursue this matter with the United
States Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Good news indeed, if the matter is pursued. I understand that some
contacts were made by victims of Terence MacCarthy with the FBI and IRS,
but due probably to a mixture of embarrassment, costs, legal
difficulties of proceeding against someone in Morocco, and perhaps
official opinion that the fish was not big enough, the cases were not
proceeded with.

Sean Murphy

[Schneller]

Trafficking in Papal Orders


"Authorities have launched an investigation into the sale of the Orders



of Saint Gregory the Great and Pope Saint Sylvester. All the persons
who received these orders fraudulently will be investigated by the
Italian and Vatican Police."


I need urgently information.
Which persons are that?


Prince Davide Pozzi di S. Sofia ?????????????????


Condemns?


I believe I know a new case.
Thanks for the assistance.


Ich brauche dringend Informationen.
Welche Person ist dieser Hochstapler ?
Prince Davide Pozzi di S. Sofia ??????


Ich kenne einen neuen, aktuellen Fall.
Danke für die Mithilfe.

[Andrew]

Post by Schneller
Trafficking in Papal Orders
"Authorities have launched an investigation into the sale of the Orders
of Saint Gregory the Great and Pope Saint Sylvester. All the persons
who received these orders fraudulently will be investigated by the
Italian and Vatican Police."
I need urgently information.
Which persons are that?
Prince Davide Pozzi di S. Sofia ?????????????????
Condemns?
I believe I know a new case.
Thanks for the assistance.
Ich brauche dringend Informationen.
Welche Person ist dieser Hochstapler ?
Prince Davide Pozzi di S. Sofia ??????

This person is known self-styled "Prince" and has no any genuine honour
from any legal knightly body (semi-sovereign or dinastical) and from no
any sovereign body. He is a simple swindler, amongst many like him. He
has deal with so-called "Russian College of Arms" (private
organisation, nothing to do with official body)in the matter "to grant
him coat of arms". May be they know his present location, but be worry
that people from "RCofA" are not specialist in nobiliary law and
usually beleve to everybody who declare himself as "Prince", 'Count",
etc

Post by Schneller
Ich kenne einen neuen, aktuellen Fall.
Danke für die Mithilfe.

[Guy Stair Sainty]

In article <***@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Andrew
says...

Post by Andrew
David,
Do not worry about it. If this honour is genuine (knighthood) you must
use it with great pride. I personally have 2 honours from the Holy See.
I am a Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Knight
Commander with Star ( Knight Grand Commander) of the Pontifical
Equestrian Order of St.Gregory. I may confirm for you that the
procedure to get any honour of such type is very bureaucratic, and if
you will meet wit sucess to got this honour you will got yours
identification code as well. Such code is depicted on each diploma on
the beck side. Your Deed of Knighthood (including all and whole
letters, nominations, supports, extract of the decree, copy of diploma,
etc) will be keeping in the Secretariat of the Holy See forever.

For example,

Post by Andrew
SMOM knighthood is genuine, but more then 100 self-styled fraudulent
"Orders of Malta" sell fake =ABKnighthood in the Order of Malta".
Dilatants every time confuse genuine Order of Malta with fake "Orders
of Malta" and may not believe that your genuine SMOM knighthood is
genuine knighthood. But SMOM honours remain genuine but fake remain
ridiculous. The same situation with San Marino titles of nobility
mentioned before. If somebody bear genuine title from this sovereign
body why this noblemen must to be worry about there are a lot of fakers
with phony titles. The same situation with UK passports even. But why
holder of genuine UK passport must be worry about a problem of
swindlers. You must be calm. If genuine Order (same with currency) was
counterfeited by swindlers, it is a mark of respect to this Order ( or
to currency) from the people and states. Nobody counterfeits Orders of
Somali for example.

In Burkes Peerage and Gentry World Orders of Knighthood and Merit, which
will be published at the end of the year, there are lengthy essays on
both the SMOM and EOHS, and also a section on the Holy See as well as all the
other extant chivalric, dynastic (including those given by former reigning
houses, both European and non-European), and state merit Orders, and a listing
of all known self-styled Orders.

See www.burkes-peerage.net

[Andrew]

Guy Stair Sainty wrote:In Burkes Peerage and Gentry World Orders of
Knighthood and Merit, which

Post by Guy Stair Sainty
will be published at the end of the year, there are lengthy essays on
both the SMOM and EOHS, and also a section on the Holy See as well as all the
other extant chivalric, dynastic (including those given by former reigning
houses, both European and non-European), and state merit Orders, and a listing
of all known self-styled Orders.

I ordered for myself and my friends 10 copies. I hope it will be best
comprehensive guide in this subject that has been ever published in the
world.
My highest respect to Guy Stair Sainty,

Post by Guy Stair Sainty
says...

Post by Andrew
David,
Do not worry about it. If this honour is genuine (knighthood) you must
use it with great pride. I personally have 2 honours from the Holy See.
I am a Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Knight
Commander with Star ( Knight Grand Commander) of the Pontifical
Equestrian Order of St.Gregory. I may confirm for you that the
procedure to get any honour of such type is very bureaucratic, and if
you will meet wit sucess to got this honour you will got yours
identification code as well. Such code is depicted on each diploma on
the beck side. Your Deed of Knighthood (including all and whole
letters, nominations, supports, extract of the decree, copy of diploma,
etc) will be keeping in the Secretariat of the Holy See forever.

For example,

Post by Andrew
SMOM knighthood is genuine, but more then 100 self-styled fraudulent
"Orders of Malta" sell fake =ABKnighthood in the Order of Malta".
Dilatants every time confuse genuine Order of Malta with fake "Orders
of Malta" and may not believe that your genuine SMOM knighthood is
genuine knighthood. But SMOM honours remain genuine but fake remain
ridiculous. The same situation with San Marino titles of nobility
mentioned before. If somebody bear genuine title from this sovereign
body why this noblemen must to be worry about there are a lot of fakers
with phony titles. The same situation with UK passports even. But why
holder of genuine UK passport must be worry about a problem of
swindlers. You must be calm. If genuine Order (same with currency) was
counterfeited by swindlers, it is a mark of respect to this Order ( or
to currency) from the people and states. Nobody counterfeits Orders of
Somali for example.

In Burkes Peerage and Gentry World Orders of Knighthood and Merit, which
will be published at the end of the year, there are lengthy essays on
both the SMOM and EOHS, and also a section on the Holy See as well as all the
other extant chivalric, dynastic (including those given by former reigning
houses, both European and non-European), and state merit Orders, and a listing
of all known self-styled Orders.
See www.burkes-peerage.net
--
Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org/index3.htm

[p***@hotmail.com]

More evidence of fake Papal Orders and Decorations and fake Orders of
Merit of the Republic of Italy. See this link:
http://www.saintstanislas.com/abbreviations.html

The link goes to the web site of the fake Order of St. Stanislaus, that
is the one created by the imposter who claimed to be the
President-in-Exile of Poland, and not the real dynastic order of the
Imperial House of Russia that is granted by HIH Grand Duchess Maria
Vladimirovna of Russia.

The abbreviation page lists postnomials for such Papal awards as the
Cross Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, the Medal Benemerenti, the Grand Cross
of the Order of Saint Gregory the Great, Commander with Star of the
Order of Pope Saint Sylvester, even the Papal rarity of Commander of
the Order of Pius IX is listed. Surely these are all fake Papal
decorations worn by members of a fake chivalric order at dress up
parties. Please note that this is the site of the Grand Priory of
Australia of the fake order, what is it about Australia and fake
orders, titles, degrees, etc.?

I also noticed that they had the Order of Merit of the Republic of
Italy listed, this must have been the fake order put on sale by
"Principe" Pozzi for 500 US dollars a year and a half ago. Obviously a
few fake St. Stanislaus people bought into the scheme. To be expected
really.

David

Post by Andrew
Guy Stair Sainty wrote:In Burkes Peerage and Gentry World Orders of
Knighthood and Merit, which

Post by Guy Stair Sainty
will be published at the end of the year, there are lengthy essays on
both the SMOM and EOHS, and also a section on the Holy See as well as all the
other extant chivalric, dynastic (including those given by former reigning
houses, both European and non-European), and state merit Orders, and a listing
of all known self-styled Orders.

I ordered for myself and my friends 10 copies. I hope it will be best
comprehensive guide in this subject that has been ever published in the
world.
My highest respect to Guy Stair Sainty,

Post by Guy Stair Sainty
says...

Post by Andrew
David,
Do not worry about it. If this honour is genuine (knighthood) you must
use it with great pride. I personally have 2 honours from the Holy See.
I am a Knight of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Knight
Commander with Star ( Knight Grand Commander) of the Pontifical
Equestrian Order of St.Gregory. I may confirm for you that the
procedure to get any honour of such type is very bureaucratic, and if
you will meet wit sucess to got this honour you will got yours
identification code as well. Such code is depicted on each diploma on
the beck side. Your Deed of Knighthood (including all and whole
letters, nominations, supports, extract of the decree, copy of diploma,
etc) will be keeping in the Secretariat of the Holy See forever.

For example,

Post by Andrew
SMOM knighthood is genuine, but more then 100 self-styled fraudulent
"Orders of Malta" sell fake =ABKnighthood in the Order of Malta".
Dilatants every time confuse genuine Order of Malta with fake "Orders
of Malta" and may not believe that your genuine SMOM knighthood is
genuine knighthood. But SMOM honours remain genuine but fake remain
ridiculous. The same situation with San Marino titles of nobility
mentioned before. If somebody bear genuine title from this sovereign
body why this noblemen must to be worry about there are a lot of fakers
with phony titles. The same situation with UK passports even. But why
holder of genuine UK passport must be worry about a problem of
swindlers. You must be calm. If genuine Order (same with currency) was
counterfeited by swindlers, it is a mark of respect to this Order ( or
to currency) from the people and states. Nobody counterfeits Orders of
Somali for example.

In Burkes Peerage and Gentry World Orders of Knighthood and Merit, which
will be published at the end of the year, there are lengthy essays on
both the SMOM and EOHS, and also a section on the Holy See as well as all the
other extant chivalric, dynastic (including those given by former reigning
houses, both European and non-European), and state merit Orders, and a listing
of all known self-styled Orders.
See www.burkes-peerage.net
--
Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org/index3.htm