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Pr Diana 'secret medical report' ('Sunday People')
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banana
2004-01-11 03:22:20 UTC
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From the 'Sunday People':

http://www.people.co.uk/homepage/news/page.cfm?objectid=13803292&method=
thepeople_full&siteid=79490
or click: <http://tinyurl.com/225r4>

***BEGIN ARTICLE***

DIANA: WE FIND SECRET MEDICAL REPORT

A SECRET medical report on Princess Diana's death has deepened the
mystery of her "pregnancy", The People can reveal. We have seen a
confidential dossier compiled by five experts who say it is IMPOSSIBLE
to tell if Diana was expecting when she died with lover Dodi Fayed in a
car crash.

The sensational report - which will not be made public until the British
inquest into Diana's death is resumed next year after a police
investigation - reveals that...

HER BODY was partially embalmed BEFORE her UK post-mortem, going against
all normal pathology practice.

THE CONTROVERSIAL move contaminated her corpse with chemicals to such an
extent that an accurate pregnancy test was impossible.

THE EMBALMING fluids could have given a false POSITIVE test for
pregnancy.

DIANA BLED to death from a one-inch rip in the pulmonary vein leading to
her heart. She also had a brain haemorrhage. The dossier was compiled by
five forensic experts - Professor Peter Vanezis and Dr John Oliver of
Glasgow University, bio- chemist Janusz Knepil of Renfrewshire and
Professors Thomas Krompecher and Patrice Mangin of Lausanne University
in Switzerland.

They are highly critical of the decision by French doctors to embalm the
top half of Diana's body. They say: "This is, in our experience, highly
unusual. We understand that no explanation for the embalming prior to
post-mortem has been given, despite being asked for.

"We individually would be concerned if embalming took place prior to any
post- mortem that we might be asked to conduct."

But most crucially their research found that any pregnancy test of
Diana's urine could have shown a positive result because of the effects
of the preserving chemical. The doctors say:

"It appears that the introduction of embalming fluid into the urine
often produces a false positive result. This was a surprise to us. The
issue of whether she was or was not pregnant cannot be satisfactorily
resolved." The dossier, which has been handed to Royal coroner Dr
Michael Burgess, also gives details of the post-mortem carried out in
England the day after the fatal crash in a Paris road tunnel in August
1997.

Diana's fatal wound was a one-inch rip to the pulmonary vein. It had
been stitched in an attempt to save her.She had broken ribs and
collarbone. Her skull was not fractured but she had a swelling and brain
haemorrhage just beneath the bone and deep gashes on the front of her
head.

The secret dossier will not stop claims from conspiracy theorists that
the Princess WAS pregnant when she died and was murdered to cover up the
scandal. But the report throws into doubt BOTH the opposing claims made
by Dodi's father Mohamed and ex-royal coroner Dr John Burton last week.
Dr Burton said Diana was not pregnant and added: "I know - I have seen
inside her womb."

He said embalming would not hamper a visual examination. But Mr Al Fayed
insisted Diana WAS expecting. The owner of top store Harrods said: "The
blood samples that were taken show that she was pregnant."

The report by the five forensic experts also expresses serious concern
about the French post- mortem on driver Henri Paul .

It suggests the work was done "under some degree of time pressure" and
states there is "a fundamental flaw" in the French doctor's report of
high levels of carbon monoxide and alcohol in Paul's blood.

And yesterday it emerged that British police investigating the crash
fear the wrong blood sample was tested at the Paris mortuary. One source
said the carbon monoxide level was so high that Paul, 41, would have
struggled to walk, let alone drive.

***END ARTICLE***
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banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
Midwinter
2004-01-11 10:14:56 UTC
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Post by banana
A SECRET medical report on Princess Diana's death has deepened the
mystery of her "pregnancy", The People can reveal. We have seen a
confidential dossier compiled by five experts who say it is IMPOSSIBLE
to tell if Diana was expecting when she died with lover Dodi Fayed in a
car crash.
And yet no-one has yet been willing to address the most critical question
relating to Diana's possible pregnancy, which is of course, "what does it
matter?"

But the media say jump, so we all ask how high.

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Midwinter
keith
2004-01-11 10:33:45 UTC
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Post by Midwinter
Post by banana
A SECRET medical report on Princess Diana's death has deepened the
mystery of her "pregnancy", The People can reveal. We have seen a
confidential dossier compiled by five experts who say it is IMPOSSIBLE
to tell if Diana was expecting when she died with lover Dodi Fayed in a
car crash.
And yet no-one has yet been willing to address the most critical question
relating to Diana's possible pregnancy, which is of course, "what does it
matter?"
<snip snip>

Matter? MATTER?? It doesn't have to *matter* when it's being tossed around
by conspiracy nuts. Tsk .. you're new here, aren't you ..?

;) KS
banana
2004-01-12 01:03:02 UTC
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Post by Midwinter
Post by banana
A SECRET medical report on Princess Diana's death has deepened the
mystery of her "pregnancy", The People can reveal. We have seen a
confidential dossier compiled by five experts who say it is IMPOSSIBLE
to tell if Diana was expecting when she died with lover Dodi Fayed in a
car crash.
And yet no-one has yet been willing to address the most critical question
relating to Diana's possible pregnancy, which is of course, "what does it
matter?"
Added motive for murder.
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
Gillian White
2004-01-12 01:26:34 UTC
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Post by banana
Added motive for murder.
I don't see how. An out-of-wedlock pregnancy would have damaged only Diana's
reputation. Her enemies would probably have used it as further ammunition
against her.

Gillian
hummingbird
2004-01-12 18:08:50 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:26:34 GMT, "Gillian White"
<***@spammenotmail.com>
suddenly appeared out of the Usenet mist to educate us with...
Post by Gillian White
Post by banana
Added motive for murder.
I don't see how.
To avoid embarrassment for the Royals by having a moslem in the family
born of the same mother as the heir to the throne; what with granny
being head of the Church of England and all that.
Sacha
2004-01-12 19:22:26 UTC
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hummingbird12/1/04 6:08
Post by hummingbird
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:26:34 GMT, "Gillian White"
suddenly appeared out of the Usenet mist to educate us with...
Post by Gillian White
Post by banana
Added motive for murder.
I don't see how.
To avoid embarrassment for the Royals by having a moslem in the family
born of the same mother as the heir to the throne; what with granny
being head of the Church of England and all that.
Bit of a non-starter; the Prince of Wales has shown a great interest in the
Muslim faith and has said he would prefer to be Defender of Faiths, not "the
Faith".
The Queen is head of the Church of England but as Head of the Commonwealth
has met more Muslims and other faiths than all her Christian peoples put
together, I'd suggest. I don't recall even the faintest hint that she is
anti-Muslim, Jew, Hindu or indeed, anything else. HM appears to take people
on their own merits.
And this child - had it existed - would not have been a member of the royal
family - the Royals would not have been its family. Its putative mother and
father were not royal and its step brothers would have seen little of it as
their paths diverged, both through age and circumstances. Of *all* the
conspiracy theories, that's the least likely, though I dare say I'll eat
those words as to 'least likely' any day now!
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Andy.III
2004-01-12 20:00:59 UTC
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Post by Sacha
And this child - had it existed - would not have been a member of the royal
family - the Royals would not have been its family
I'm certain that both Philip and Elizabeth would have been overjoyed beyond
words had Diana had a child out of wedlock- it would have put paid to ANY
chance she had of claiming ANY moral high ground from that point on.


Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"
Gillian White
2004-01-12 23:27:49 UTC
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Post by Andy.III
I'm certain that both Philip and Elizabeth would have been overjoyed beyond
words had Diana had a child out of wedlock- it would have put paid to ANY
chance she had of claiming ANY moral high ground from that point on.
Diana herself was well aware of this. Her closest friends insist to this day
that she had absolutely no intention of becoming pregnant out of wedlock,
because of the damage it would have caused to her image and reputation.

Gillian
julian
2004-01-12 23:41:31 UTC
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Post by Gillian White
Post by banana
Added motive for murder.
I don't see how. An out-of-wedlock pregnancy would have damaged only Diana's
reputation. Her enemies would probably have used it as further ammunition
against her.
Gillian
============

Goodness, you mean to say she actually had "enemies"?!

Must be the first half-way honest thing you've had to say yet.

Midwinter
2004-01-12 12:22:11 UTC
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Post by banana
Post by Midwinter
And yet no-one has yet been willing to address the most critical
question relating to Diana's possible pregnancy, which is of course,
"what does it matter?"
Added motive for murder.
Why?

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Midwinter
Sacha
2004-01-12 14:02:56 UTC
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banana12/1/04 1:03
<snip>
Post by banana
Post by Midwinter
And yet no-one has yet been willing to address the most critical question
relating to Diana's possible pregnancy, which is of course, "what does it
matter?"
Added motive for murder.
Why? There is no common sense in that at all. The child would have been
conceived illegitimately, would have had no royal blood and absolutely no
claim on the English royal family, of any description. Its only
relationship would have been to William and Harry and as they grew up, it is
very unlikely that a child so much younger and living with different
parents, would have seen very much of them. If anything, the only person
who would have been discredited by such a pregnancy would have been Diana.
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mellstrr
2004-01-11 18:16:20 UTC
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Post by banana
http://www.people.co.uk/homepage/news/page.cfm?objectid=13803292&method=
thepeople_full&siteid=79490
or click: <http://tinyurl.com/225r4>
***BEGIN ARTICLE***
DIANA: WE FIND SECRET MEDICAL REPORT
The report by the five forensic experts also expresses serious concern
about the French post- mortem on driver Henri Paul .
It doesn't matter if she was pregnant or not. the problem is with the work
done on Henri Paul's blood. No one--including the French--have been able to
explain why there was so much carbon monoxide in the man's blood that he
wouldn't have been able to walk upright, much less drive a car.

There's your conspiracy, if you insist on looking for one...

mellstrr
Andy.III
2004-01-12 00:50:15 UTC
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Post by mellstrr
It doesn't matter if she was pregnant or not. the problem is with the work
done on Henri Paul's blood. No one--including the French--have been able to
explain why there was so much carbon monoxide in the man's blood that he
wouldn't have been able to walk upright, much less drive a car.
There's your conspiracy, if you insist on looking for one...
mellstrr
The carbon thing is *easily* explained.

An overly sensitive sensor on the airbag caused it to deploy when the Fiat Uno
was hit by the Mercedes- NOT when the Merc hit the pillar. The driver thus got
a facefull. With rapid breathing, as was undoubtedly the case given the
circumstances, he ingests great amounts of catbon monixide. The deployment also
restricted his vision thus explaining the yaw marks before the Mercedes hit the
pillar. The "flash" that was seen could have easily been caused by the airbag
deploymnet also.




Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"
Metoyou
2004-01-11 19:17:16 UTC
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Post by banana
http://www.people.co.uk/homepage/news/page.cfm?objectid=13803292&method=
thepeople_full&siteid=79490
or click: <http://tinyurl.com/225r4>
***BEGIN ARTICLE***
DIANA: WE FIND SECRET MEDICAL REPORT
A SECRET medical report on Princess Diana's death has deepened the
mystery of her "pregnancy", The People can reveal. We have seen a
confidential dossier compiled by five experts who say it is IMPOSSIBLE
to tell if Diana was expecting when she died with lover Dodi Fayed in a
car crash.
The sensational report - which will not be made public until the British
inquest into Diana's death is resumed next year after a police
investigation - reveals that...
HER BODY was partially embalmed BEFORE her UK post-mortem, going against
all normal pathology practice.
THE CONTROVERSIAL move contaminated her corpse with chemicals to such an
extent that an accurate pregnancy test was impossible.
THE EMBALMING fluids could have given a false POSITIVE test for
pregnancy.
DIANA BLED to death from a one-inch rip in the pulmonary vein leading to
her heart. She also had a brain haemorrhage. The dossier was compiled by
five forensic experts - Professor Peter Vanezis and Dr John Oliver of
Glasgow University, bio- chemist Janusz Knepil of Renfrewshire and
Professors Thomas Krompecher and Patrice Mangin of Lausanne University
in Switzerland.
They are highly critical of the decision by French doctors to embalm the
top half of Diana's body. They say: "This is, in our experience, highly
unusual. We understand that no explanation for the embalming prior to
post-mortem has been given, despite being asked for.
"We individually would be concerned if embalming took place prior to any
post- mortem that we might be asked to conduct."
But most crucially their research found that any pregnancy test of
Diana's urine could have shown a positive result because of the effects
"It appears that the introduction of embalming fluid into the urine
often produces a false positive result. This was a surprise to us. The
issue of whether she was or was not pregnant cannot be satisfactorily
resolved." The dossier, which has been handed to Royal coroner Dr
Michael Burgess, also gives details of the post-mortem carried out in
England the day after the fatal crash in a Paris road tunnel in August
1997.
Diana's fatal wound was a one-inch rip to the pulmonary vein. It had
been stitched in an attempt to save her.She had broken ribs and
collarbone. Her skull was not fractured but she had a swelling and brain
haemorrhage just beneath the bone and deep gashes on the front of her
head.
The secret dossier will not stop claims from conspiracy theorists that
the Princess WAS pregnant when she died and was murdered to cover up the
scandal. But the report throws into doubt BOTH the opposing claims made
by Dodi's father Mohamed and ex-royal coroner Dr John Burton last week.
Dr Burton said Diana was not pregnant and added: "I know - I have seen
inside her womb."
He said embalming would not hamper a visual examination. But Mr Al Fayed
insisted Diana WAS expecting. The owner of top store Harrods said: "The
blood samples that were taken show that she was pregnant."
The report by the five forensic experts also expresses serious concern
about the French post- mortem on driver Henri Paul .
It suggests the work was done "under some degree of time pressure" and
states there is "a fundamental flaw" in the French doctor's report of
high levels of carbon monoxide and alcohol in Paul's blood.
And yesterday it emerged that British police investigating the crash
fear the wrong blood sample was tested at the Paris mortuary. One source
said the carbon monoxide level was so high that Paul, 41, would have
struggled to walk, let alone drive.
***END ARTICLE***
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
Are Diana's injuries (now fully reported) consistent with her position at
the time of impact being on the floor with her back towards the car door (as
reported by Romuald Rat, I believe - the first of the known pursuing paps).
I ask because he head injuries seem to be consistent with this statement I
picked off another forum:-

"According to someone I knew who used to work as counter espionage In places
like Northern Ireland and therefore had knowledge of the secret services I
was told it wasn't the crash that killed her it was one of the medical
people bashed her over the head with an oxygen cylinder. The other thing I
was told was the first people to arrive on the scene were American. I think
he mentioned they were connected to the military so anyone heard anything
that fits in with that as I am just repeating what I was told."
JAGUTMAKER
2004-01-11 23:40:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: Pr Diana 'secret medical report' ('Sunday People')
From: "Metoyou"
Are Diana's injuries (now fully reported) consistent with her position at
the time of impact being on the floor with her back towards the car door (as
reported by Romuald Rat, I believe - the first of the known pursuing paps).
I ask because he head injuries seem to be consistent with this statement I
picked off another forum:-
"According to someone I knew who used to work as counter espionage In places
like Northern Ireland and therefore had knowledge of the secret services I
was told it wasn't the crash that killed her it was one of the medical
people bashed her over the head with an oxygen cylinder."
How are the reported contusions consistent with being "bashed" in the head? The
secret document supposedly being cited claims she did not have a skull
fracture. You don't think that blunt trauma caused by bashing someone in the
head violently enough to kill them would fracture the facial and skull
structures???





JAGutmaker
Midwinter
2004-01-12 00:50:33 UTC
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Post by Metoyou
"According to someone I knew who used to work as counter espionage In
places like Northern Ireland
A friend of a friend of a friend, perhaps?
Post by Metoyou
I think he mentioned they were connected to the
military so anyone heard anything that fits in with that as I am just
repeating what I was told."
Yes. Parrots do that, too.

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Midwinter
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