Discussion:
Interracial Royal Marriages?
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libertine
2003-09-05 01:34:32 UTC
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Hi everyone!

I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.

My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?

Thanks for your help.

S.
Ze Dragongirl
2003-09-05 01:49:46 UTC
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Post by libertine
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Prince Joachim of Denmark married a woman of mixed chinese ancestry. Also one
of the sons of the ruling prince of Lichtenstein married a woman of african
descent (black),
Charles von Hamm
2003-09-05 01:37:19 UTC
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Princess Alexandra of Denmark comes to mind, she is of fractional Asian
blood.

I also believe a lady of African descent married a Prince of and at
Liechtenstein.
--
Charles
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
Lisa Davidson
2003-09-05 02:43:55 UTC
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Then there is a branch of the Battenburgs who married into the Pushkin
line which is part African.
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
CMW12635
2003-09-05 19:51:39 UTC
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Lisa Davidson <***@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Then there is a branch of the Battenburgs who married into the Pushkin
line which is part African.
<<<<<

George Mountbatten, 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven married Countess Nada de
Torby, daughter of a Russian Grand Duke (grandson of Nicholas I) and his
morganatic wife, Countess Sophie von Merenberg. Sophie was herself the
daughter of a morganatic union between a member of the House of Nassau-Weilburg
and a daughter of Alexander Pushkin. Alexander Pushkin's mother was a
granddaughter of Ibrahim Hanibal, described by some as an "Abyssinian
princeling" who was sent as a gift from the Ottoman Sultan to Peter the Great
and eventually won his freedom and attained some degree of success as an
engineer.

The 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven was a great-grandson of Queen Victoria, elder
brother of Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, and a maternal
uncle to the Duke of Edinburgh, consort of Queen Elizabeth II.

Charles Ward
SSKENDER
2003-09-05 04:25:13 UTC
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Crown Princess Pavlos' mother is Ecuadorian with some Native ancestry. Her
father was also formerly Jewish before conversion to Catholicism.
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--and of Kilimitzoglou of the Phanariots
edespalais
2003-09-05 03:42:57 UTC
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Post by SSKENDER
Crown Princess Pavlos' mother is Ecuadorian with some Native ancestry. Her
father was also formerly Jewish before conversion to Catholicism.
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--Skender= Alexander the Great
--of Prince Skenderbeg who married into the Imperial Paleologos
--and of Kilimitzoglou of the Phanariots
Saxony, not marriage but .., son: Rutowski, mother a Turkish woman
William Addams Reitwiesner
2003-09-05 21:21:55 UTC
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Post by SSKENDER
Crown Princess Pavlos' mother is Ecuadorian with some Native ancestry. Her
father was also formerly Jewish before conversion to Catholicism.
Not true. While he has some Jewish ancestors, he himself was Protestant,
not Jewish. See <http://members.aol.com/eurostamm/miller.html> for details
of his ancestry. He also has some alleged Amerindian ancestry.



William Addams Reitwiesner
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Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
2003-09-05 10:57:23 UTC
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Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Altho not exactly royal - but closely related - the Lascelles being
discussed in another thread --

The Hon James, 2nd son of the Earl of Harewood, grandson of the Mary, The
Princess Royal -- had as his second wife Lori (Shadow) Susan Lee Porter who
was, at least, partially Native American (their younger child is in line for
the Throne); his third and current wife Joy Elias-Rilwan is either a
Nigerian or an Afro-Caribbean (I have contradictory sources),

-- Stephen Stillwell
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-06 17:32:36 UTC
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Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Altho not exactly royal - but closely related - the Lascelles being
discussed in another thread --
The Hon James, 2nd son of the Earl of Harewood, grandson of the Mary, The
Princess Royal -- had as his second wife Lori (Shadow) Susan Lee Porter who
was, at least, partially Native American (their younger child is in line for
the Throne); his third and current wife Joy Elias-Rilwan is either a
Nigerian or an Afro-Caribbean (I have contradictory sources),
-- Stephen Stillwell
Joy Elias-Rilwan was born at Lagos, 15 June, 1954.
Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
2003-09-07 11:33:27 UTC
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Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Altho not exactly royal - but closely related - the Lascelles being
discussed in another thread --
The Hon James, 2nd son of the Earl of Harewood, grandson of the Mary, The
Princess Royal -- had as his second wife Lori (Shadow) Susan Lee Porter who
was, at least, partially Native American (their younger child is in line for
the Throne); his third and current wife Joy Elias-Rilwan is either a
Nigerian or an Afro-Caribbean (I have contradictory sources),
-- Stephen Stillwell
Joy Elias-Rilwan was born at Lagos, 15 June, 1954.
Thank you - but actually one's birthplace can have little to do with one's
nationality or ethnic make-up. I will make the assumption however that the
current Mrs Lascelles is Nigerian.

-- Stephen Stillwell
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-08 23:41:16 UTC
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Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Altho not exactly royal - but closely related - the Lascelles being
discussed in another thread --
The Hon James, 2nd son of the Earl of Harewood, grandson of the Mary,
The
Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
Princess Royal -- had as his second wife Lori (Shadow) Susan Lee Porter
who
Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
was, at least, partially Native American (their younger child is in line
for
Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Stephen Stillwell/Tom Wilding
the Throne); his third and current wife Joy Elias-Rilwan is either a
Nigerian or an Afro-Caribbean (I have contradictory sources),
-- Stephen Stillwell
Joy Elias-Rilwan was born at Lagos, 15 June, 1954.
Thank you - but actually one's birthplace can have little to do with one's
nationality or ethnic make-up. I will make the assumption however that the
current Mrs Lascelles is Nigerian.
-- Stephen Stillwell
In a 1989 interview Mrs Lascelles the then actress said: "I'm
Nigerian, and almost always cast as a West Indian. Not that I'm
complaining too much....."

"I come from a rather well-to-do Nigerian family. My grandfather was
the first black student to study law at Oxford. I come from a large
family and am the only one who didn't chose law or one of the medical
professions...Actually, you know, I am viewed a bit of a family
let-down. All my brothers are lawyers, doctors, surgeons, dentists.
For the little girl to go off and be an actress was considered very
bad form..." "Ours is a Muslim family. Although my parents are quite
modern..."


----Michael Rhodes
Robert Hall
2003-09-05 15:14:32 UTC
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Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
The king of Sikkim married the American Hope Cooke
edespalais
2003-09-05 09:50:44 UTC
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Post by Robert Hall
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
The king of Sikkim married the American Hope Cooke
A cowgirl!
Rick Hutto
2003-09-05 22:43:43 UTC
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Post by edespalais
Post by Robert Hall
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
The king of Sikkim married the American Hope Cooke
A cowgirl!
The last Crown Prince of Korea married American-born Julia Lee Mullock.
edespalais
2003-09-05 22:47:51 UTC
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Post by Rick Hutto
Post by edespalais
Post by Robert Hall
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
The king of Sikkim married the American Hope Cooke
A cowgirl!
The last Crown Prince of Korea married American-born Julia Lee Mullock.
An other ...boyesse, using French spoken in Indochina
George W. Russell
2003-09-06 08:42:31 UTC
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Post by Rick Hutto
Post by edespalais
Post by Robert Hall
Post by libertine
Hi everyone!
I am curious about something...we have all understood that one of the
adopted rules of royal marriage is that the likely spouse practices
the same religion. With that said, in most countries, that would
render a good portion of a "minority" so-called unfit for marriage.
My question is for you, within the last century, have there been any
interracial marriages in any royal family (worldwide) that you can
think of?
Thanks for your help.
S.
The king of Sikkim married the American Hope Cooke
A cowgirl!
The last Crown Prince of Korea married American-born Julia Lee Mullock.
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.

George W. Russell
Hanoi
Pierre Aronax
2003-09-06 10:21:08 UTC
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In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.

Pierre
Frank H. Johansen
2003-09-06 14:36:53 UTC
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Post by Pierre Aronax
Post by George W. Russell
In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.
Pierre
LOL!
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Frank H. Johansen
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Larry Bernard
2003-09-06 16:36:33 UTC
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Post by Pierre Aronax
Post by George W. Russell
In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.
Pierre
LOL!
I think it is in Africa somewhere
Pierre Aronax
2003-09-06 17:31:10 UTC
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Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.
Pierre
LOL!
I think it is in Africa somewhere
Really? Isn't it that little island between Western Samoa and Tonga? The
crown is hereditary by female line secundogeniture and the queen must
abdicate when she reaches majority (but legal majority of the present
sovereign has been perpetually postponed by an act of the Ukogbanian
Parliament. That implies some little annoyances: she can not vote, can not
pronounce publicly a speech written by herself and can not have a driver
licence). The kingdom has been severely criticized in the last rapport of
Male Rights Watch for his persistent refusal to abolish polyandry.

Or perhaps I am confusing and it's in Africa.



Pierre
Jörg Raddatz
2003-09-10 01:00:20 UTC
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Post by Larry Bernard
Post by Pierre Aronax
Post by George W. Russell
In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.
Pierre
LOL!
I think it is in Africa somewhere
AFAIK, it is a smallish archipelago somewhere in the Northern
Atlantic, halfway between Normandy and the Faeroer.
Christopher Buyers
2003-09-12 06:25:10 UTC
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Post by Jörg Raddatz
Post by Larry Bernard
Post by Pierre Aronax
Post by George W. Russell
In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
Where is Ukogbani? I've never heard of that kingdom.
Pierre
LOL!
I think it is in Africa somewhere
AFAIK, it is a smallish archipelago somewhere in the Northern
Atlantic, halfway between Normandy and the Faeroer.
Does Norman really have a "dy". If so what is it?
norenxaq
2003-09-06 14:26:46 UTC
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Post by George W. Russell
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
George W. Russell
Hanoi
Hello:

Who was he?

What, if anything, is known of his ancestry?

Thank-you
William Addams Reitwiesner
2003-09-06 23:15:42 UTC
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Post by norenxaq
Post by George W. Russell
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
George W. Russell
Hanoi
Who was he?
Jean-Francois Izzi
Post by norenxaq
What, if anything, is known of his ancestry?
http://www.norodomsihanouk.info/biography/queen-cv.htm

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Cambodia/camboa12.htm





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edespalais
2003-09-06 23:30:22 UTC
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Post by William Addams Reitwiesner
Post by norenxaq
Post by George W. Russell
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
George W. Russell
Hanoi
Who was he?
Jean-Francois Izzi
Post by norenxaq
What, if anything, is known of his ancestry?
http://www.norodomsihanouk.info/biography/queen-cv.htm
http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Cambodia/camboa12.htm
William Addams Reitwiesner
Not yet Queen "Monique" or her mother worked in the Central Post Office in
Saigon (at left hand, when you come out of the Cathedral)
David Eades
2003-09-14 14:39:14 UTC
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Post by edespalais
Post by William Addams Reitwiesner
Post by norenxaq
Post by George W. Russell
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
George W. Russell
Hanoi
Who was he?
Jean-Francois Izzi
Post by norenxaq
What, if anything, is known of his ancestry?
http://www.norodomsihanouk.info/biography/queen-cv.htm
http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Cambodia/camboa12.htm
William Addams Reitwiesner
Not yet Queen "Monique" or her mother worked in the Central Post Office in
Saigon (at left hand, when you come out of the Cathedral)
AFAIK this hasn't been mentioned yet - the last Maharaja of the Punjab
married firstly a woman whose father was German and whose mother was
Ethiopian, his second wife was Ada Wetherill, a Londoner, and of his
children his eldest son married a daughter of the Earl of Coventry
while one of his daughters married an Australian, another an
Englishman and a third a Frenchman. Quite a cross-section!

Regards,
David Eades
Robert Hall
2003-09-14 19:48:03 UTC
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Post by David Eades
Post by edespalais
Post by William Addams Reitwiesner
Post by norenxaq
Post by George W. Russell
The father of Queen Monineath of Cambodia was European, of French and
Italian ancestry I believe. In official portraits, she bears a faint
resemblance to Queen Elizabeth II of the UKoGBaNI.
George W. Russell
Hanoi
Who was he?
Jean-Francois Izzi
Post by norenxaq
What, if anything, is known of his ancestry?
http://www.norodomsihanouk.info/biography/queen-cv.htm
http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Cambodia/camboa12.htm
William Addams Reitwiesner
Not yet Queen "Monique" or her mother worked in the Central Post Office in
Saigon (at left hand, when you come out of the Cathedral)
AFAIK this hasn't been mentioned yet - the last Maharaja of the Punjab
married firstly a woman whose father was German and whose mother was
Ethiopian, his second wife was Ada Wetherill, a Londoner, and of his
children his eldest son married a daughter of the Earl of Coventry
while one of his daughters married an Australian, another an
Englishman and a third a Frenchman. Quite a cross-section!
Regards,
David Eades
This gets even more complicated:
Duy-Tan, King of Annam [Viet Nam] had 3 French wives [out of 5 I
think] but not at the same time.
Marie Anne Viale '1928]
Fernande Antier [1938]
Marie Ernestine Maillo [1938]
AND
Bao-Dai, Emperor of Viet Nam, married in 1972 Monique Baudot. He also
converted to Catholicism somewhere along the line.
Marie was not styled "Empress" however until after the death of his
first wife, the mother of the Crown Prince, now supposed claimant to
the throne.
Like most Asian royal families, this one is huge, with branches all
over the world. There is one branch in the US with another "claimant"
passing out Imperial Orders.

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