Post by marlenekoenig Post by Louis Epstein
:> > Has anyone actually seen an official document or press statement from
:> > the elder brother, Prince Irakli, renouncing his rights as Head of the
:> > House?
:> > All I have ever been able to find is the younger brother's statement
:> > on his own website. Something that does not give me complete
:> > confidence.
:> According to a Spanish language comment to a post at this address:http://monarquiaeuropea.blogspot.com/2008/01/el-orden-de-sucesin-la-c...
:> Prince Davit was named the successor to his father in the late Prince
:> "En el testamento de S.A.R. Jorge Bagrationi, consta y se designa a su
:> segundo hijo Davit Bagrationi como el ?nico heredero de todos los
:> derechos din?sticos de la Corona de Georgia y su hijo S.A.R. Irakly
:> Bagrationi as? como toda la Familia Real Georgiana est?n al corriente
:> del testamento. El presidente de Georgia y el Patriarca de la Iglesia
:> Ortodoxa de Georgia Illa II tambi?n est?n al corriente del testamento
:> y apoyan ?nicamente la reinstauraci?n de la monarqu?a en la persona de
:> S.A.R. Davit Bagrationi Mukhran Batonishvili.
:> Esto es posible y se debe a la antigua ley de sucesi?n mon?rquica de
:> Les ruego tomen nota de la informaci?n puesta a su disposici?n con el
:> fin de evitar confusiones y mal entendidos.
:> Sin otro particular, muy atentamente.
:> Conde de Guillam?n
:> Secretario S.A.R. Davit Bagrationi Mukhran Batonishvili y
:> Canciller de la Orden del ?guila de Georgia"
Irakli is not married.
Post by Louis Epstein
: This is obviously a statement put out by Prince Davit's office. It
: isn't even the actual testament of the late father, leaving aside for
: a wild moment that monarchies were disposable by will.
: My question was "Has anyone actually seen an official document or
: press statement from the elder brother, Prince Irakli, renouncing his
: rights as Head of the House?"
Are there children of Prince Irakli?
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
As has been stated, the Georgian succession has always passed
irregularly, but almost exclusively among different branches of the
Bagratid dynasty. When the senior Kartli line becamse extinguished in
1658 the throne passed to the next senior line by primogeniture, but
not for this reason but because the previous Tsar, without direct
heirs (although plenty of female line collaterals whom he chose to
ignore) adopted the head of the Mouchransky line, who duly succeeded
(as Vakhtang V). the latter's younger brother became lord, or prince,
of Mouchrania. When the Ottomans invaded and overthrew his grandson,
the Tsar of Kakhetia, a junior line, managed to eject them and unite
Kartli and Kakhetia for the first time for centuries. But in both
lines it had not been exceptional for a throne to by-pass an infant
male and go to a brother, because of the need for an adult male to
Nonetheless, that said, after the dynasty was desposed, it was still
considered a threat by the Tsarist government and there were repeated
risings and small rebellions, finally quite brutally repressed, in
which Georgians attempted to assert their independence and each time
looked to differnt members of the Bagratid line as their nominal
leaders. Hence it is perfectly reasonable to claim one or other
representative of these lines as the claimant and, if the other
members of that line, acknowledge one among them then that would seem
to accord with the traditions of the dynasty. Now the surviving lines
are much reduced in number and the eldest daughter of the senior
representative of the last reigning line is to marry the second son of
the late head of the senior line by primogeniture. I have been told
that Prince David's elder brother Irakly does not want to live in
Georgia but is settled in his life in Spain; it would seem that he is
perfectly content to accept his younger brother's as head and has
taken a position in the relatively recently minted Georgia dynastic
Order. He will, I understand, be attending his brother's wedding. The
head of the junior, but last reigning line, has accepted the use of
titles by Prince David which represent him as de jure King.
So, despite the mutterings above, there seems little reason not to
accept that this will be a way of uniting the two strongest claims to
represent the Georgian Crown. That the head of the Georgian orthodox
Church, who has already announced his support for a restoration is to
celebrate the marriage is surely a further important indicator.
No doubt, of course, there will be dissenters from this view.