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Aristocratic deaths, September, 2003
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Michael Rhodes
2003-09-05 00:37:12 UTC
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The 3rd Baron Hayter, KCVO, CBE, a deputy chairman of the House of
Lords, 1981-95, & former President of the Royal Warrant Holders
Association, died 2 September, 2003. He was aged 92.

His father, the 2nd Baron lived to be 95, and grandfather, the 1st
Baron, died at 98.

George Charles Hayter Chubb was born 25 April, 1911, the eldest son of
the 2nd Baron Hayter, (1871-1967), by his wife the former Mary
Haworth, and was educated at Ley School, Cambridge, and Trinity
College, Cambridge (MA).

Career: Managing Director of Cubb & Sons Lock & Safe Co 1941-71,
Chairman, 1957-81; Chairman, Royal Society of Arts,1965-66; Management
Committee, King Edward's Hospital Fund for London, 1965-82; Member of
the Duke of Edinburgh's Countryside in 1970 Committee; President,
Canada-United Kingdom Chamber of Commerce, 1966-67; President, Royal
Warrant Holders Association, 1967; Business Equipment Trades
Association, 1954-55; Chairman, EDC Freight Management, 1972-79;
British Security Industry Association, 1973-77; Liveryman, Worshipful
Company of Weavers', from 1934; &c.

George Chubb succeeded to the peerage & baronetcy on the death of his
father, 3 March, 1967.

He was appointed CBE in 1976, and KCVO in the Queen's Silver Jubilee
year, 1977.

He married 28 March, 1940, Elizabeth Anne, the only daughter of Thomas
Arthur Rumbold, scion of the Rumbold Baronets, by whom he had three
sons and a daughter.

He is succeeded in the family honours by his eldest son, the Hon
(George) William (Michael) Chubb, born 9 October, 1943.

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Michael Rhodes
Kelly
2003-09-05 04:30:59 UTC
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Post by Michael Rhodes
The 3rd Baron Hayter, KCVO, CBE, a deputy chairman of the House of
Lords, 1981-95, & former President of the Royal Warrant Holders
Association, died 2 September, 2003. He was aged 92.
His father, the 2nd Baron lived to be 95, and grandfather, the 1st
Baron, died at 98.
George Charles Hayter Chubb was born 25 April, 1911, the eldest son of
the 2nd Baron Hayter, (1871-1967), by his wife the former Mary
Haworth, and was educated at Ley School, Cambridge, and Trinity
College, Cambridge (MA).
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Post by Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
Is there some reason (other than the fact that it would sound funny) that
the title isn't Baron Chubb?

Kelly
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Michael Rhodes
2003-09-05 10:22:28 UTC
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Post by Kelly
Is there some reason (other than the fact that it would sound funny) that
the title isn't Baron Chubb?
Kelly
It may have been the personal choice of the first baron when he was
ennobled in 1927. Hayter was the maiden name of his mother, and also
his own middle christian name.

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Michael
Kelly
2003-09-05 16:23:32 UTC
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Post by Michael Rhodes
Post by Kelly
Is there some reason (other than the fact that it would sound funny) that
the title isn't Baron Chubb?
Kelly
It may have been the personal choice of the first baron when he was
ennobled in 1927. Hayter was the maiden name of his mother, and also
his own middle christian name.
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Michael
Thanks, Michael.

Kelly
Louis Epstein
2003-09-05 15:23:05 UTC
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Kelly <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Michael Rhodes" <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
: news:***@posting.google.com...
:> The 3rd Baron Hayter, KCVO, CBE, a deputy chairman of the House of
:> Lords, 1981-95, & former President of the Royal Warrant Holders
:> Association, died 2 September, 2003. He was aged 92.
:>
:> His father, the 2nd Baron lived to be 95, and grandfather, the 1st
:> Baron, died at 98.

Dear me,why the trend for the worse?

:> George Charles Hayter Chubb was born 25 April, 1911, the eldest son of
:> the 2nd Baron Hayter, (1871-1967), by his wife the former Mary
:> Haworth, and was educated at Ley School, Cambridge, and Trinity
:> College, Cambridge (MA).
:>
: snip

:> Michael Rhodes

: Is there some reason (other than the fact that it would sound funny) that
: the title isn't Baron Chubb?

The Telegraph obituary mentions a theft of jewels from a Chubb relative
making headlines around when he was created a peer,and the new Baron not
wanting his lock and safe business being embarrassed by that association.
(They didn't change the company name then,though!)

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-09 11:10:43 UTC
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The Hon Ronald Alexander Henry (Sandy) Barnes, born 28 June, 1931, a
younger son of the 3rd Baron Gorell, CBE, MC (1884-1963), & younger
brother and heir presumptive to the 4th Baron Gorell (b. 2 Aug 1927),
died at Truro, Cornwall, 1 September, 2003. He leaves a widow and a
son (John Picton Gorell Barnes, now h.p. to the peerage, b. 1959),
and a daughter, Elizabeth, and two grandchildren.

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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-12 18:14:39 UTC
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Major Anthony Forbes, Younger of Rothiemay, late the Scots Guards, who
was born 20 May, 1944, second but eldest surviving son of Lt-Col
William John Herbert Forbes of Rothiemay, DSO, Representor of the
House of Forbes of Rothiemay, formerly of Dunira, by Comrie,
Perthshire (b. 25 Sept. 1912), by his wife Diana Burrell de Ker Knox,
died in Norway, 9 September, 2003, aged 59.

Anthony David Knox Forbes was descended from John Forbes, of Newe (6th
in descent from Sir William Forbes, 1st of Kynaldy & Pitsligo
(1419-46), and brother of Sir Alexander, who was created 1st Lord
Forbes, see extinct peerage, Forbes of Pitsligo.)

He leaves a widow, Ryden, and a son, Iain, and daughter, Anneli. Does
the son, as eldest grandson of the chief, now become "Younger of
Rothiemay" ?

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Michael Rhodes.
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-19 00:17:05 UTC
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Henry Minshull Stockdale, scion of the Stockdale Baronets & descended
from the Barons Faringdon & the Villiers Earls of Clarendon, died at
Brandenburg, Germany, 6 September, 2003.

The 5th Baron Leigh, whose ancestral home was the magnificent
Stoneleigh Abbey, Warwickshire, died 16 September, 2003, at the age of
68.

Stoneleigh Abbey was the home of the Leigh family from 1561 until the
late twentieth century.

In December 1996 the ownership of Stoneleigh Abbey passed to a
charitable trust who, with funding from the Heritage Lottery Fund,
English Heritage and the European Regional Development Fund, have in
partnership with Warwick District Council repaired and restored the
buildings of the Abbey. The masonry work required over 225 cubic
metres (450 tonnes) of newly quarried stone for the facade of the West
Wing alone.

The Leigh peerage was created in 1839 for Chandos Leigh, (1791-1850),
whose grandmother, Lady Caroline Brydges, was a daughter of Henry,
Duke of Chandos, by his wife Mary, daughter of Charles, Earl of
Ailesbury, and was descended from Mary, Duchess of Suffolk, daughter
of Henry VII. William, the second Baron, (1824-1905) married Lady
Caroline Grosvenor, daughter of the 2nd Marquess of Westminster.
Margaret Leigh (1849-1945), a sister of the 3rd Baron (1855-1938), and
aunt of the 4th Baron, married the 7th Earl of Jersey. She was the
author of a biography "Fifty-one Years of Victorian Life" which wasn't
considered suitable reading for grandchildren. She described her
parents as being until their death like a pair of lovers.

The tangled love-life of the 5th Baron was fodder for the gossip
columnists in the 1970s and 80s. In 1982 the peer, his wife, and two
ex-wives were all living in close proximity on the family estate.

John Piers Leigh was born 11 September, 1935, eldest of the four sons
of the 4th Lord Leigh (1908-79), by his wife Anne Hicks Beach, a
cousin of Earl St Aldwyn.

He was educated at Eton, and succeeded to the peerage on the death of
his father, 24 June, 1979. He was thrice wed and thrice divorced. His
first marriage, in 1957, was to Cecilia Poppy, daughter of Robert
Jackson. This union ended in divorce in 1974. HIs second marriage, in
1976, was to Susan, daughter of John Cleave. This marriage was
dissolved in 1982, and in December of that year he married thirdly,
Mrs Lea Hamilton-Russell, ex-wife of a collateral of the Viscounts
Boyne.

By his first wife he had three children, a son and two daughters, and
by his second, a further son. The third marrirage (childless) ended in
divorce in 1998. Lord Leigh is survived by three children. The peerage
now devolves upon his elder son, the Hon Christopher Dudley Piers
Leigh, who was born 20 Oct 1960.
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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-21 11:48:55 UTC
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Baron Williams of Mostyn, PC, QC, Lord Privy Seal, Leader of the House
of Lords since 2001, died suddenly at his home in Gloucestershire, 20
September, 2003. He was 62. He is survived by Baroness Williams of
Mostyn, and by a son the Hon Daniel Williams, and two daughters, the
Hon Martha and the Hon Emma.

He had been a life peer since 1992.

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Michael Rhodes
Louis Epstein
2003-09-21 20:31:07 UTC
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Michael Rhodes <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
: Baron Williams of Mostyn, PC, QC, Lord Privy Seal, Leader of the House
: of Lords since 2001, died suddenly at his home in Gloucestershire, 20
: September, 2003.

He had been Leader of the House of Lords since 2001,but
moved up from Lord Privy Seal to Lord President of the Council
in the June 2003 reshuffle that saw Lord Falconer of Thoroton
become (embarrassed whisper) Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain
and (Blairite shout with modernomaniac gusto) Secretary of State
for Constitutional Affairs,and Peter Hain the new Lord Privy Seal.
He was the first head of the Privy Council under Blair to admit
that the title includes the word "Lord".

Given the outspoken efforts Lord Williams had made in furtherance
of the deprivation of hereditary peers' rights,it is ironic that
he would be remembered under "Aristocratic Deaths".

: He was 62. He is survived by Baroness Williams of
: Mostyn, and by a son the Hon Daniel Williams, and two daughters, the
: Hon Martha and the Hon Emma.

Also by his much younger daughter Hon. Imogen,who was by his
second wife.Burke's lacks her birth year and that of his divorce
from his first wife...as well as the second wife's given names
beyond initials.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Michael Andrews-Reading
2003-09-22 07:01:50 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
: Baron Williams of Mostyn, PC, QC, Lord Privy Seal, Leader of the House
: of Lords since 2001, died suddenly at his home in Gloucestershire, 20
: September, 2003.
: He was 62. He is survived by Baroness Williams of
: Mostyn, and by a son the Hon Daniel Williams, and two daughters, the
: Hon Martha and the Hon Emma.
[snip]
Post by Louis Epstein
Also by his much younger daughter Hon. Imogen,who was by his
second wife.Burke's lacks her birth year and that of his divorce
from his first wife...as well as the second wife's given names
beyond initials.
According to Who's Who, he married 2ndly 1994 Veena Maya Russell

MAR
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-21 12:37:33 UTC
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The Baroness Walton of Detchant, wife of the life peer Baron Walton of
Detchant, died suddenly at her home at Detchant, 17 September, 2003.
She was aged 82.

Baroness Walton of Detchant was born Mary Elizabeth Harrison, daughter of Joseph
Harrison, of Spennymoor, County Durham, and married in 1946, the then
John Nicholas Walton.

Her husband was Professor of Neurology at the University of Newcastle,
1968-83, President of the Royal Society of Medicine, 1984-86,
President, the General Medcical Council, 1982-89, and President,
British Medical Assoc, 1980-82, who was created a life peer in 1989.

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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-23 01:11:22 UTC
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The Baron Blake, FBA, one of the most eminent historians of modern
times, Constitutional expert often quoted in recent years, Provost of
The Queen's College, Oxford, 1968-87, died 20 September, 2003, at the
age of 86.

Lord Blake was Pro Vice-Chancellor of Oxford University, 1971-87;
Joint Editor, the Dictionary of National Biography, 1980-90, &c.

God has no doubt sent for him to annoy Lord Williams of Mostyn, lately
deceased Constitutional wrecker.

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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-23 23:45:31 UTC
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Virginia Marchioness of Bath, widow of the 6th Marquess, and for 37
years chatelaine of Longleat - one of the great historic piles of
England - died at her home, 18 September, 2003. She was in her 80s.

Her second husband - the eccentric Henry Thynne, 6th Marquess of Bath
- was the first owner of a stately home in Britain to exploit fully
its commercial potential by opening it to fee-paying members of the
public in 1949.

Lord & Lady Bath also launched Britain's first "safari park" in 1966
when they converted 25 acres of Longleat park into a game reserve
featuring 12 lions, later to be joined by rhinos, giraffes,
chimpanzees and other assorted wild animals.

The Marchioness was born Virginia Penelope Parsons, the only daughter
(with two brothers) of Alan Leonard Romaine Parsons, a drama critic,
of The Baas, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, by his wife, the great
actress, Viola Tree, daughter of the actor/manager Sir Herbert
Beerbohm Tree.

Virginia's mother was a leading actress on the stage in the early
years of the 20th century - her repertoire ranged from Shakespeare, to
opera, comedy, variety & the Ziegfeld Follies.

Virginia's father died in 1933, and her mother died in 1938, just days
before her daughter was to marry. She married firstly, in November,
1938, as his second wife, a former BBC announcer, the Hon David
Tennant, brother of the 2nd Lord Glennconner. David Tennant's first
spouse had been the comedy actress Hermione Baddeley.

The marriage to Tennant, which was dissolved in 1953, produced two
daughters, Annabel Skye (Georgia) (in 1941) and Josie (who
relinquished the forenames of Sabrina and Viola) (born in 1943).

On 15 July, 1953, she married, as his second wife, Henry Frederick
Thynne, 6th Marquess of Bath. This marriage was surrounded in
controversy. Lord Bath had married firstly, in 1927, the Hon Daphne
Vivian, daughter of the 4th Lord Vivian, by whom he had three sons and
a daughter. In 1953 when the marriage was dissolved it became known
that the couple had married secretly (under assumed names) a year
before their public nuptials and it took an Appeal Court ruling in
1955 to establish that their divorce decree should apply to both
ceremonies.

A daughter - Lady Silvy Cerne Thynne - was born in 1958 to Lady Bath's
second union.

The Marchioness was chatelaine of Longleat - built between 1568 and
1580 for Sir John Thynne, her husband's ancestor, and Elizabeth I
stayed there. It was a mansion of 100 rooms, 60 of which were bedrooms
but with only eight bathrooms.

Lady Bath's parents-in-law had been the last members of the family to
live fully in the house, necessitating the employment of 40 servants
to run it.

Longleat possessed one of the world's finest private libraries
(although Lord Bath adroitly let it be reported that he had never read
any of the contents).

Her husband was the epitome of a PG Wodehouse peer, a languid, rangy
figure, 6ft 2ins tall, who never used his seat in the Lords, but was
frequently interviewed by the news media in the 60s and 70s and
airing, in rapid staccato phrases, provocative views with apparent
naivity including the opninion that Hitler was "one helluva man."

In 1967 the Baths were reported in the tabloid press to have stunned
Whitehall by naming five chimpanzees Harold, George, Jim, Barbara and
Edward, after the prime minister, three cabinet ministers and the
leader of the opposition.

In latter years the Marquess and Marchioness lived at Job's Mill,
Warminster, close to the Big House. Her husband died there on 30 June,
1992.

Lady Bath is survived by her three daughters; grandchildren, and
great-grandchildren.
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Michael Rhodes
Shinjinee
2003-09-27 14:29:23 UTC
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Post by Michael Rhodes
Virginia Marchioness of Bath, widow of the 6th Marquess, and for 37
years chatelaine of Longleat - one of the great historic piles of
England - died at her home, 18 September, 2003. She was in her 80s.
[snip]
Post by Michael Rhodes
The Marchioness was born Virginia Penelope Parsons, the only daughter
(with two brothers) of Alan Leonard Romaine Parsons, a drama critic,
of The Baas, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, by his wife, the great
actress, Viola Tree, daughter of the actor/manager Sir Herbert
Beerbohm Tree.
Virginia's mother was a leading actress on the stage in the early
years of the 20th century - her repertoire ranged from Shakespeare, to
opera, comedy, variety & the Ziegfeld Follies.
A lovely portrait of Viola Tree is here
http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mugs/Viola_Tree_1907.htm

[This site is also a great source of other portraits of aristocrats
and persons connected to aristocrats, with paintings by John Singer
Sarget, de Laszlo, and others]

The Independent also has an obit
(also accessible here
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bl0698%246fs%241%40bob.news.rcn.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
)

Her first cousin was Ivan Moffat, formerly married to a King James VI
& I descendant, and also father (by Lady Caroline Blackwood) of her
daughter Ivana (now Mrs Matthew Miller).

Shinjinee
Michael Rhodes
2003-09-27 22:42:43 UTC
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Post by Michael Andrews-Reading
Post by Michael Rhodes
Virginia Marchioness of Bath, widow of the 6th Marquess, and for 37
years chatelaine of Longleat - one of the great historic piles of
England - died at her home, 18 September, 2003. She was in her 80s.
[snip]
Post by Michael Rhodes
The Marchioness was born Virginia Penelope Parsons, the only daughter
(with two brothers) of Alan Leonard Romaine Parsons, a drama critic,
of The Baas, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, by his wife, the great
actress, Viola Tree, daughter of the actor/manager Sir Herbert
Beerbohm Tree.
Virginia's mother was a leading actress on the stage in the early
years of the 20th century - her repertoire ranged from Shakespeare, to
opera, comedy, variety & the Ziegfeld Follies.
A lovely portrait of Viola Tree is here
http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mugs/Viola_Tree_1907.htm
[This site is also a great source of other portraits of aristocrats
and persons connected to aristocrats, with paintings by John Singer
Sarget, de Laszlo, and others]
The Independent also has an obit
(also accessible here
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bl0698%246fs%241%40bob.news.rcn.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
)
Her first cousin was Ivan Moffat, formerly married to a King James VI
& I descendant, and also father (by Lady Caroline Blackwood) of her
daughter Ivana (now Mrs Matthew Miller).
Shinjinee
Thanks Shinjinee. A delightful link. I think I have seen the pic
before. Is it at Longleat ?
Michael Rhodes
2003-10-01 00:05:49 UTC
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Agnes Mary Russell, who was b. 25 November, 1918, d. 27 September,
2003, aged 84. She was born Agnes Mary Parsons, the eldest daughter of
the Rev. (Richard) Edward Parsons, (1888-1971), of the Earls of Rosse,
by his wife, the former Hester Katherine Drummond, (d. 1954), of the
Earls of Perth, and married in 1941, Major Cosmo Rex Ivor Russell (b.
1911), eldest son of the Hon Sir Odo Russell, KCMG, (1870-1951), of
the Barons Ampthill and Dukes of Bedford, by his wife Countess Marie
Louise Ernestine Rex, (d. 1966) .
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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-10-02 02:39:56 UTC
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Margaret Lady Tuite, who died 25 September, 2003, aged 90, was the
widow of Maj Sir Dennis George Harmsworth Tuite, 13th Baronet.

She was the former Margaret Essie Dundas, the only daughter of Colonel
Leslie Walter Dundas, DSO, and married Sir Dennis in 1947. He died in
1981.

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Michael Rhodes
Michael Rhodes
2003-10-04 00:48:12 UTC
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Comte Francois de Pourtales died at his home in France, 23 September,
2003. He married in 1956, (Violet) Joan Wilmot-Sitwell, of the landed
family of Wilmot-Sitwell formerly of Stainsby.

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Michael Rhodes

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