Don Aitken wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2005 18:29:29 -0600, ***@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> >In article <***@individual.net>,
> >Stan Brown <***@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >>"Graham Truesdale" wrote in alt.talk.royalty:
> >>><***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> Someone who is heir-apparent and is a child of the sovereign is
> >>>> Duke of Cornwall/Rothesay. Someone who is heir-apparent but the
> >>>> grandchild of the sovereign or for some other reason (e.g.
> >>>> III, Anne) is not Duke of Cornwall/Rothesay.
> >>>The future Richard II was the grandson of Edward III, but was
> >>>created Duke of Cornwall. Though the future George III, in the
> >>>situation, was not.
> >>Which at least suggests that the precedent solidified between the
> >>fourteenth century and the eighteenth.
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Cornwall> says
> > The Dukedom of Cornwall always belongs to the eldest son of the
> > Sovereign. Cornwall was the first dukedom ever conferred in
> > England, being created for Edward, the Black Prince, the eldest
> > son of Edward III in 1336. After Edward predeceased the King,
> > dukedom was recreated for his son, the future Richard II. Under
> > charter of 1421, the dukedom passes to the Sovereign's eldest
> > and heir.
> >Another article I saw said that there were two grants of Cornwall,
> >Richard II and to someone else who I don't recall, but after them it
> >followed the 1377 charter.
> ><http://www.termsdefined.net/du/duke-of-cornwall.html> says
> > Holders of the Dukedom of Cornwall, with the process by which
> > became dukes of Cornwall:
> > 1. Edward, the Black Prince, created Duke of Cornwall by
> > Parliament 1336/7, died 1376.
> > 2. Richard of Bordeaux, by charter 1376, ascended throne as
> > Richard II in 1377.
> > 3. Henry of Monmouth, by Parliament 1399, ascended throne as
> > V in 1413.
> > 4. Henry, son of Henry V, by birth 1421, ascended throne as
> > VI in 1422.
> > 5. Edward of Westminster, son of Henry VI, by birth 1453, died
> > 1471.
> > 6. Edward Plantagenet, son of Edward IV, by charter 1470 and by
> > patent 1471, ascended throne as Edward V in 1483.
> >After that, every acceded due to an older brother dying or due to
> >father becoming king. The only one in that sequence that didn't
> >follow the "eldest son and heir of the king" rule is Richard of
> >Bordeaux (skipping over the 1470 disputed-succession stuff).
> CP (in the appendix on dukes) confirms that there have only been four
> explicit creations:
> Edward (Black Prince) 3 Mar 1337
> Richard (II) 20 Nov 1376
> Henry (V) 15 Oct 1399
> Edward (V) 17 Jul 1471
> All other holders have acquired it in accordance with the terms of
> original Letters Patent of 1337. I can find no reference to a
> of 1421". Henry VI became Duke at birth on 6 December that year.
> Don Aitken
Well, let us then make a list of the early Dukes of Cornwall:
1) Black Prince. Created 3 Mar 1337. By whom - Crown or Parliament? And
what is the text of the original Letters Patent?
2) Richard(II). Created 20 Nov 1376, by Crown, not a son of Sovereign.
3) Henry(V). For some reason, did not become automatically Duke on the
accession of father - created explicitly on 15 Oct 1399.
4) Henry(VI). Seems to have been regarded as Duke by virtue of the 1337
Letters Patent since birth. No explicit document issued - the first
Duke of Cornwall to have no creation.
5) Edward of Westminster. Seems to have become automatically the Duke
of Cornwall on birth in 1453, and perhaps in 1470 on accession of
father, with no explicit creation either time.
Was the title explicitly taken away in 1461?
6) Edward Plantagenet. For some reason, did not become Duke either on
birth (was he then plain Master Edward Plantagenet? His father may then
have been neither king nor noble) or on accession of father. Explicit
creation on 17 Jul 1471.
7) Edward of Middleham. Was he explicitly created by Act of Parliament?
Possible, but uncertain, as Tituli regis was destroyed unread.
8) Arthur. Apparently held the title by 1337 Letters Patent.
9) Henry of York. Apparently received the title under the 1337 Letters
Patent, the first younger son to do so.
Since then, the practice has been somewhat more consistent. But does it
seem so that the Parliament has never ever legislated on who can be the
Duke of Cornwall and that therefore the Sovereign is perfectly entitled
to confer the title on any future heir apparent who is a grandchild of
Sovereign, by issuing a Letter Patent on the precedent of that of 1376?