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United States of Europe
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hihgdm
2017-12-08 11:48:44 UTC
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/lets-create-a-united-states-of-europe-says-german-leader-20171207-h00zp5.html

Far-fetched but the Queen could get another notch on her belt as Empress Elizabeth 1.
Louis Epstein
2017-12-08 18:54:32 UTC
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/lets-create-a-united-states-of-europe-says-german-leader-20171207-h00zp5.html
Far-fetched but the Queen could get another notch on her belt as Empress Elizabeth 1.
You'll be helping abolish all the republics then?

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hihgdm
2017-12-08 20:54:36 UTC
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/lets-create-a-united-states-of-europe-says-german-leader-20171207-h00zp5.html
Far-fetched but the Queen could get another notch on her belt as Empress Elizabeth 1.
You'll be helping abolish all the republics then?
No Comrade. I was speculating on what could happen, which is not to say that I would agree with it, but nice try.

Given that some countries with rebellious right wing governments have been misbehaving (Poland, Hungary) and given that a Brexit looks likely to succeed, which doesn't auger well for holding the EU together, a US of Europe is unlikely.

I'm not sure that the Queen would want the burden at her age. If there unfortunately had to be a European imperial family, who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Donald4564
2017-12-09 00:41:38 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.

In reality I think a U.S. of E. would most probably continue with a rotating Presidency and if a ceremonial personage was required, the politicians may, perhaps may allow the current Royals hanging about to also have a rotating role? But, we all know that politicians are all for edging out sovereigns as much as they possibly can.

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Donald Binks
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2017-12-09 18:55:15 UTC
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How about, going by seniority as Head of State?

That would ensure rotation (a newly inheriting Crown Prince/ss would start below elected Presidents, a monarch of another country would take over), but also make it unlikely for anyone but a monarch to lead EU (with 5 Kings/Queens in EU after Brexit and 1 Grand Duke, the senior living monarch of the 6 is likely to outrank all the 21 Presidents at any time).

The present EU order of precedence (as yet including Ukogbani) begins:
1)Elizabeth II - 1952
2)Margrethe II - 1972
3)Carl XVI - 1973
4)Henri - 2000
5)Grybauskaite - 2009
6)Higgins - 2011
7)Niinistö - March 2012
8)Ader - May 2012
9)Pahor - December 2012
10)Anastasiades - February 2013
11)Zeman - March 2013
12)Willem-Alexander - April 2013
13)Philippe - July 2013

Does the fact of EU capital being in Brussels commonly make Philippe rather than Elizabeth the highest ranking person in Europe, by fact of being the host Head of State? What are the EU obligations of Philippe?
Louis Epstein
2017-12-09 22:41:15 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches
Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the
House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
Surely the Electors should be called upon to make the choice
they have been shirking since 1806.
Post by Donald4564
In reality I think a U.S. of E. would most probably continue with a
rotating Presidency and if a ceremonial personage was required, the
politicians may, perhaps may allow the current Royals hanging about to
also have a rotating role? But, we all know that politicians are all for
edging out sovereigns as much as they possibly can.
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Donald Binks
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Graham
2017-12-09 23:03:47 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches
Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the
House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
Surely the Electors should be called upon to make the choice
they have been shirking since 1806.
The man whom they (or their predecessors) elected in 1792 did not die until 1835. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Louis Epstein
2017-12-10 04:03:56 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches
Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the
House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
Surely the Electors should be called upon to make the choice
they have been shirking since 1806.
The man whom they (or their predecessors) elected in 1792 did not die
until 1835. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Their excuse for procrastinating died with him,
though his abdication from the HRE created a vacancy.

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Count Gudenus
2017-12-10 18:44:41 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
In reality I think a U.S. of E. would most probably continue with a rotating Presidency and if a ceremonial personage was required, the politicians may, perhaps may allow the current Royals hanging about to also have a rotating role? But, we all know that politicians are all for edging out sovereigns as much as they possibly can.
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Donald Bin
... des Heiligen Römischen Reichs ...
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2017-12-11 22:21:21 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
In reality I think a U.S. of E. would most probably continue with a rotating Presidency and if a ceremonial personage was required, the politicians may, perhaps may allow the current Royals hanging about to also have a rotating role? But, we all know that politicians are all for edging out sovereigns as much as they possibly can.
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Donald Bin
... des Heiligen Römischen Reichs ...
Or Der Heiligen Römischen Reiches Europäischer Nation
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2017-12-11 22:22:11 UTC
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who would make the best job of it? I like the Norwegians.
Oh? I think it would fall to the successor of Der Heilige Romanisches Deutches Reich Nation nicht wahr? In that case the present Head of the House of Habsburg - H.I. & R.H. Archduke Karl.
In reality I think a U.S. of E. would most probably continue with a rotating Presidency and if a ceremonial personage was required, the politicians may, perhaps may allow the current Royals hanging about to also have a rotating role? But, we all know that politicians are all for edging out sovereigns as much as they possibly can.
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Donald Bin
... des Heiligen Römischen Reichs ...
Or Des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Europäischer Nation
Count Gudenus
2017-12-12 09:32:45 UTC
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Or Des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Europäischer Nation
The Heiliges Römisches Reich has allways included citizen living in other parts of the World.

Russian historians may say our Tsars ... were interested being Emperors of the Heiliges Römisches Reich particularly if instead of the words in German you use Greek or Latin words. Putin shows us daily Russia is a part at least of Constantinopel
Count Gudenus
2017-12-12 09:45:30 UTC
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Or Des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Europäischer Nation
The Heiliges Römisches Reich has allways included citizen living in other parts of the World.
Russian historians may say our Tsars ... were interested being Emperors of the Heiliges Römisches Reich particularly if instead of the words in German you use Greek or Latin words. Putin shows us daily Russia is a part at least of Constantinopel
Rulers to the East of C may very well have seen as Persian/ Indian/ even pehaps Chinese Rome is just a part of them
D***@teikyopost.edu
2017-12-10 04:07:42 UTC
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/lets-create-a-united-states-of-europe-says-german-leader-20171207-h00zp5.html
Far-fetched but the Queen could get another
notch on her belt as Empress Elizabeth 1.
It is imperative that the EU be replaced "with
a United States of Europe by 2025."
Louis Epstein
2017-12-10 17:45:22 UTC
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/lets-create-a-united-states-of-europe-says-german-leader-20171207-h00zp5.html
Far-fetched but the Queen could get another
notch on her belt as Empress Elizabeth 1.
It is imperative that the EU be replaced "with
a United States of Europe by 2025."
Without a monarchical framework this would be unconscionable.

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David Amicus
2017-12-17 19:47:51 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
The Chief
2017-12-17 22:59:10 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Now you are talking!
A return to the proper order of things...

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The Chief
David Amicus
2017-12-18 15:35:22 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Now you are talking!
A return to the proper order of things...
Regards,
The Chief
Right! The temporal is always subject to the spiritual.

Some (like Dante) say that both the Pope and Emperor are of divine origin but if that were true there would still be an Emperor but there still is a Pope.
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2017-12-18 12:38:08 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Religion and politics have always been a highly explosive mixture.
Windemere
2017-12-18 17:34:22 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
I think that that ship sailed in 1054, and again in 1517.
Windemere
2017-12-18 17:35:56 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Ian Paisley, of blessed memory, wouldn't have cared for that.
The Chief
2017-12-18 18:46:45 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Ian Paisley, of blessed memory, wouldn't have cared for that.
He no longer has a say, and may well be finding things rather hot as of late..

The Chief
Windemere
2017-12-18 20:37:23 UTC
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What about a Unites States of Europe under the Pope?
Ian Paisley, of blessed memory, wouldn't have cared for that.
He no longer has a say, and may well be finding things rather hot as of late..
The Chief
According to Rev. Paisley, the Pope was actually running the European Union from behind the scenes. And seat # 666 in the European Assembly was reserved for him. But it's true, wherever Rev. Paisley now may be, he no longer has a say.
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