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Huntington
2016-12-02 17:40:32 UTC
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Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.

I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
Louis Epstein
2016-12-09 04:12:49 UTC
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Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
It was Lord Mountbatten of Burma who proposed "House of Mountbatten",
but after all,the Duke of Edinburgh is patrilineally an Oldenburg.

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Donald4564
2016-12-09 10:51:56 UTC
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Isn't the House going to be Mountbatten-Windsor when the Prince of Wales ascends the throne?

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2016-12-12 00:24:47 UTC
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Isn't the House going to be Mountbatten-Windsor when the Prince of Wales ascends the throne?
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IIRC, the result of Phillip's "I am the only man in Britain who won't pass his name down to his children" spat was that future untitled descendants of the marriage would be Mountbatten-Windsor, but the House name will remain unchanged.

Which means no Mountbatten-Windsors for quite some time, as the guys all have/are in line for titles and the girls all lose their names upon marriage.

Nick
Louis Epstein
2016-12-12 20:18:42 UTC
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Isn't the House going to be Mountbatten-Windsor when the Prince of
Wales ascends the throne?
Absolutely not!!
It was made quite clear in separate proclamations in 1953
that the HOUSE would remain Windsor,and in 1960 that NON-royally-titled
descendants thereof would be "Mountbatten-Windsor".
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As I see it,the politically motivated creation of a "House of Windsor"
is validated specifically by this extension so that it is no longer
a mere renaming of the House of Saxe-Coburg...the Saxe-Coburg-Windsors
end with Elizabeth,the Mountbatten-Windsors begin with Charles and
end with his last male-line descendant on the UK/etc Throne.

At THAT time I would insist that the new patrilineal name be used as
the house name,else Windsor becomes meaningless again.(See the absurd
pretense in the Netherlands that the House of Orange persists there).

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Windemere
2016-12-13 15:10:46 UTC
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Post by Huntington
Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
As it is, there are now the Windsor/Wettins (Houses of Gloucester and Kent), and the Windsor/Oldenburgs ( Charles, Andrew, Edward, and their families). And so the Windsor dynastic name no longer implies agnatic descent.

The Oranje and Nassau dynastic names have long lost their agnatic implications.

But there are also older precedents. The Hapsburgs of Austria kept their dynastic name when they descended through the female line (Austrian Empress Maria Theresa). And the Romanovs of Russia kept the same dynastic name when they passed through the descendants of Peter the Great's daughters. The present-day Hapsburgs are actually agnatic Lothingrens, and the present Romanovs are actually agnatic Oldenburgs, of the Holstein-Gottorp branch.
Count Gudenus
2016-12-13 18:03:00 UTC
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But there are also older precedents. The Hapsburgs of Austria kept their dynastic name when they descended through the female line (Austrian Empress Maria Theresa). And the Romanovs of Russia kept the same dynastic name when they passed through the descendants of Peter the Great's daughters. The present-day Hapsburgs are actually agnatic Lothingrens, and the present Romanovs are actually agnatic Oldenburgs, of the Holstein-Gottorp branch.
What was the dynastic name?

Where was it kept? By who?
Louis Epstein
2016-12-15 22:29:54 UTC
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But there are also older precedents. The Hapsburgs of Austria kept their dynastic name when they descended through the female line (Austrian Empress Maria Theresa). And the Romanovs of Russia kept the same dynastic name when they passed through the descendants of Peter the Great's daughters. The present-day Hapsburgs are actually agnatic Lothingrens, and the present Romanovs are actually agnatic Oldenburgs, of the Holstein-Gottorp branch.
What was the dynastic name?
Where was it kept? By who?
The reference is to the various descendants of Romanovs in the
female line continuing to use the Romanov name.

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Count Gudenus
2016-12-16 09:24:32 UTC
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What was the dynastic name?
Where was it kept? By who?
The reference is to the various descendants of Romanovs in the
female line continuing to use the Romanov name.
One did in one's above two ? certainlhy not thinks of R... but of H ore A...!
Louis Epstein
2016-12-15 22:28:59 UTC
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Post by Huntington
Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
As it is, there are now the Windsor/Wettins (Houses of Gloucester and Kent), and the Windsor/Oldenburgs ( Charles, Andrew, Edward, and their families). And so the Windsor dynastic name no longer implies agnatic descent.
The Oranje and Nassau dynastic names have long lost their agnatic implications.
But there are also older precedents. The Hapsburgs of Austria kept
their dynastic name when they descended through the female line
(Austrian Empress Maria Theresa). And the Romanovs of Russia kept the
same dynastic name when they passed through the descendants of Peter the
Great's daughters. The present-day Hapsburgs are actually agnatic
Lothingrens, and the present Romanovs are actually agnatic Oldenburgs,
of the Holstein-Gottorp branch.
Unfortunate window-dressing.

With the rise in gender-blind succession,the old agnatic lines are
likely to pass from the scene,with Orange-Nassau long gone from the
Netherlands and Luxembourg let's look at what lines are currently
enthroned & upcoming...

Norway currently Oldenburg,upcoming whoever marries Princess Ingrid
Sweden currently Bernadotte,upcoming Westling
Denmark currently Oldenburg,upcoming Laborde-Montpezat
Netherlands currently Amsberg,upcoming whoever marries Princess
Catharina-Amalia
Belgium currently Wettin,upcoming whoever marries Princess Elisabeth
Luxembourg currently Capetian,upcoming whoever marries Princess Amalia
UNLESS Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume marries and his firstborn
is male
United Kingdom of GB&NI currently Wettin,upcoming Oldenburg
Monaco currently Polignac
Spain currently Capetian,upcoming whoever marries Princess Leonor
Liechtenstein always Liechtenstein and to remain so.

(an heiress counts as her father's family,her successors are of
her husband's family)

In many cases the genealogically accurate designation is
officially disregarded.

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Windemere
2016-12-16 17:45:16 UTC
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Post by Huntington
Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
Actually, Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume of Luxembourg did get married a few years ago to Stephanie de Lannoy, a young Countess from a Belgian noble family. They are both still young (early thirties), and so they have a good likelihood of a firstborn son, and the retention of the Capetian-Borbone Dynasty in Luxembourg. I believe that Luxembourg's original grand-ducal family, the House of Nassau, has been extinct in male line for several generations. The present family are the cognatic descendants.

The original Houses of Netherlands (Oranje) and Monaco (Grimaldi) became extinct in male line many years ago, and so it's inevitable that they continue on through some cognatic house.

The House of Oldenburg in Britain appears to be well-fortified for the upcoming 3 generations, and so this old Dynasty will be perpetuated there for the remainder of our lifetimes at least, even though it will be under the British name of Windsor.

It is too bad that Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, and Spain shall eventually pass to some recently-contrived cognatic Houses. Especially since the agnatic Oldenburg, Bernadotte, Wettin, and Borbon lineages will still persist. But in these disordered times in which we now live, I suppose that it is the best that we can expect, and we must resign ourselves to it.
Louis Epstein
2016-12-17 02:01:49 UTC
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Post by Huntington
Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
Actually, Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume of Luxembourg did get married
a few years ago to Stephanie de Lannoy, a young Countess from a Belgian
noble family. They are both still young (early thirties), and so they
have a good likelihood of a firstborn son, and the retention of the
Capetian-Borbone Dynasty in Luxembourg.
50% at best one would assume (descendants of Grand Duke Henri are in
gender-blind order in succession).
Post by Windemere
I believe that Luxembourg's original grand-ducal family, the House of
Nassau, has been extinct in male line for several generations.
The original House of Luxemburg died out centuries ago and the Burgundians
and Habsburgs held power over the years before the Grand Duchy was
awarded to the House of Nassau by the Congress of Vienna...its last
ruler,Charlotte,abdicated in 1964 and died in 1985,last survivor of
her father's daughters.Their morganatic Merenburg branch died out
in 1965.
Post by Windemere
The present family are the cognatic descendants.
The original Houses of Netherlands (Oranje) and Monaco (Grimaldi)
became extinct in male line many years ago, and so it's inevitable that
they continue on through some cognatic house.
Exactly...their heirs,not the same House,continue (just as the British
monarchs are heirs of,but not,Normans and Plantagenets).
Post by Windemere
The House of Oldenburg in Britain appears to be well-fortified for the
upcoming 3 generations, and so this old Dynasty will be perpetuated
there for the remainder of our lifetimes at least, even though it will
be under the British name of Windsor.
It is too bad that Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, and Spain shall
eventually pass to some recently-contrived cognatic Houses. Especially
since the agnatic Oldenburg, Bernadotte, Wettin, and Borbon lineages
will still persist. But in these disordered times in which we now live,
I suppose that it is the best that we can expect, and we must resign
ourselves to it.
The sons of Robert the Strong alternated on the French throne with the
Carolingians before grandson Hugh the Great's descendants secured it;
Felipe of Spain looks to be the last King of that line,whether a son
is next born in the Luxembourg succession will determine,barring
restorations in France,Parma,or the Two Sicilies,whether there are
any more monarchs at all beyond current adults.

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Windemere
2016-12-19 12:55:28 UTC
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Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
If there were ever to be a restoration in Portugal, the Capetians would be back on that throne also. (The Braganzas are agnatic Capetians.)
Count Gudenus
2016-12-19 13:21:26 UTC
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If there were ever to be a restoration in Portugal, the Capetians would be back on that throne also. (The Braganzas are agnatic Capetians.)
One hought they were bastards since hundred of years
Windemere
2016-12-19 18:09:54 UTC
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Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
Well, yes, the first Duke of Braganza was, back in 1377. But they've been legitimate ever since.
Count Gudenus
2016-12-19 19:05:09 UTC
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Post by Huntington
Please forgive if this has been covered before, but in his review of Netflix's "The Crown" for the Daily Mail, Hugo Vickers writes, "in real life (Prince Philip) he wanted (the royal house) called Edinburgh," not Mountbatten, as is usually said.
I've never heard this before. Can anyone point to a source? Thanks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3840165/With-100million-budget-Netflix-s-eagerly-anticipated-new-Crown-lavish-biopic-says-royal-expert-HUGO-VICKERS-s-marred-sensationalist-errors-remarkable-lapses-vulgarity.html
Well, yes, the first Duke of Braganza was, back in 1377. But they've been legitimate ever since.
The first Braganza was a bastard but it seems that ever since they all were born legitimate. Which family/House are left who can say you are a bastard without hearing you are yourself a bastard!
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2017-11-30 21:39:27 UTC
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It's been a year since I posted this. I'm surprised no one was able to find a source for Vickers' claim. For me, it would be an elegant solution for Charles to adopt Windsor-Edinburgh for the house (mirroring Habsburg-Lothringen) while keeping Mountbatten-Windsor for descendants who should need a surname. It might also please a few Scots who are feeling rather alienated from most of the rest of the U.K. these days.
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