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10th Duke of Richmond & Lennox & Gordon 1929-2017
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Louis Epstein
2017-09-02 21:25:10 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.

Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.

Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
which began when there was a Duke born in 1869 (the 3rd Duke of
Abercorn,whose octogenarian grandson becomes the new oldest Duke)
and four born in the 1870s.

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Graham
2017-09-06 21:36:17 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose, St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster? The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Louis Epstein
2017-09-09 00:50:46 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose,
St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster?
Indeed.
Post by Graham
The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to
his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Princes all!

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Graham
2017-09-10 16:42:58 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose,
St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster?
Indeed.
Post by Graham
The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to
his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Princes all!
And dukes both - to be precise, two men holding three dukedoms.
Louis Epstein
2017-09-11 16:37:58 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose,
St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster?
Indeed.
Post by Graham
The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to
his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Princes all!
And dukes both - to be precise, two men holding three dukedoms.
If to be classed as one or the other,their princely status takes
precedence.There is no possibility of a dukedom held by either being
inherited by anyone who is not a prince.

The other two royal dukes were also born before the present reign
(one has held his title for 75 years) but again,I count people
once,as royalty or as peers.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Graham
2017-09-12 21:33:37 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose,
St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster?
Indeed.
Post by Graham
The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to
his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Princes all!
And dukes both - to be precise, two men holding three dukedoms.
If to be classed as one or the other,their princely status takes
precedence.There is no possibility of a dukedom held by either being
inherited by anyone who is not a prince.
The other two royal dukes were also born before the present reign
(one has held his title for 75 years) but again,I count people
once,as royalty or as peers.
"A duke anyone may be, but a prince of England not many are". Strictly speaking, was the Old Pretender the last man to be a prince of England?
Graham
2017-09-12 21:40:15 UTC
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Hard on the heels of the death of the 11th Duke of Beaufort,
the man who succeeded him as the oldest living British Duke
has died...the 10th holder of three separate dukedoms in the
peerages of England (Richmond),Scotland(Lennox),and the United
Kingdom(Gordon) was 87.
Before these two deaths the eight oldest Dukes were each born
in separated sets of two consecutive years (1928 & 1929,1934 & 1935,
1939 & 1940,and 1944 & 1945) but now the oldest set is gone.
Only seven Dukes remain who were born before the present reign,
I assume that you mean seven non-royal dukes? I.e. Abercorn, Montrose,
St Albans, Sutherland, Devonshire, Wellington and Leinster?
Indeed.
Post by Graham
The oldest living duke is of course aged 96, and the heir apparent to
his dukedom was also born before the present reign.
Princes all!
And dukes both - to be precise, two men holding three dukedoms.
If to be classed as one or the other,their princely status takes
precedence.There is no possibility of a dukedom held by either being
inherited by anyone who is not a prince.
A challenge?

Let us imagine that Princes William and George (heaven forbid) die in the current reign or in the next, and that the forthcoming baby is a boy (?Albert?). The crown would in due course pass to Pss Charlotte, but the Dukedom of Cambridge (being restricted to the male line) passes to Albert. As the rules stand, Albert's son would not be a prince.
c***@hush.ai
2017-09-13 17:14:57 UTC
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If to be classed as one or the other,their princely status takes
precedence.There is no possibility of a dukedom held by either being
inherited by anyone who is not a prince.
A challenge?
Let us imagine that Princes William and George (heaven forbid) die in the >current reign or in the next, and that the forthcoming baby is a boy >(?Albert?). The crown would in due course pass to Pss Charlotte, but the >Dukedom of Cambridge (being restricted to the male line) passes to Albert. As >the rules stand, Albert's son would not be a prince.
Or, for example, Harry´s children. Harry is a grandson of ruler, so his sons are not princes and, unless Charles lives to rule, will not be. So if Charles, William, George and Harry die, but Harry leaves a son, then Crown goes to Charlotte, but Dukedom of Edinburgh to Harry´s son.
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