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Good Kaiser Bill
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The Chief
2017-06-02 19:33:12 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html

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The Chief
D***@teikyopost.edu
2017-06-03 15:28:59 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html
Just in time for the 76th anniversary (June 4) of The Kaiser's death.
D***@teikyopost.edu
2017-06-08 00:47:04 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html
What is so desperately needed is a movie about the beginning of
the Kaiser's reign. It would be truly fascinating, as indicated at

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.talk.royalty/kaiser$20wages$20ludwig%7Csort:relevance/alt.talk.royalty/KxYMlTMH9HM/FMb7KbQ9twAJ

The following scene would be especially riveting.

"He was soon to have his first opportunity of acting upon his
humanitarian principles. Over a hundred thousand miners in the Ruhr
came out on strike for higher wages. In the moment when Bismarck was
laying before the Cabinet some strong emergency measures, there
appeared, suddenly and unannounced, the Emperor in Hussar uniform and
blustering mood proclaiming: 'The directors and shareholders must give
in; the men are my subjects for whom I am responsible. Yesterday I
warned the Chairman of the Committees in the Rhineland, telling them
that if the industry doe not at once grant an increase in wages, I
shall withdraw my troops. Then, if the owners and directors have their
villas burnt down and their gardens trampled on, they will sing a
little smarter!'"
The Chief
2017-06-08 01:06:27 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html
What is so desperately needed is a movie about the beginning of
the Kaiser's reign. It would be truly fascinating, as indicated at
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.talk.royalty/kaiser$20wages$20ludwig%7Csort:relevance/alt.talk.royalty/KxYMlTMH9HM/FMb7KbQ9twAJ
The following scene would be especially riveting.
"He was soon to have his first opportunity of acting upon his
humanitarian principles. Over a hundred thousand miners in the Ruhr
came out on strike for higher wages. In the moment when Bismarck was
laying before the Cabinet some strong emergency measures, there
appeared, suddenly and unannounced, the Emperor in Hussar uniform and
blustering mood proclaiming: 'The directors and shareholders must give
in; the men are my subjects for whom I am responsible. Yesterday I
warned the Chairman of the Committees in the Rhineland, telling them
that if the industry doe not at once grant an increase in wages, I
shall withdraw my troops. Then, if the owners and directors have their
villas burnt down and their gardens trampled on, they will sing a
little smarter!'"
Aye, Bill was a good 'un!

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The Chief
David Amicus
2017-06-08 02:50:17 UTC
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He loved his grandmother Queen Victoria; she died in his arms.
D***@teikyopost.edu
2017-06-08 11:26:42 UTC
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He loved his grandmother Queen Victoria; she died in his arms.
At the outbreak of World War I, the exasperated Kaiser is
reported to have said: "To think that George and Nicky should
have played me false! If my grandmother had been alive, she
would never have allowed it." (Michael Balfour, "The Kaiser and
his Times," Houghton Mifflin, 1964, bottom p. 355)
Donald4564
2017-06-08 23:57:56 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html
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The Chief
The Kaiser was a blustering, hot-tempered virtual child. He also had far too much say in Government. Had he opted to make Germany a Constitutional monarchy like the U.K., he might have been able to be remembered more favourably. Also Prussia was bombastic state with too much emphasis on the military and as such held the greatest sway in the unified Germany. It's a pity none of the other less belligerent monarchies could not have had more of a council.

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Donald Binks
Louis Epstein
2017-06-10 04:51:58 UTC
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Features in a new movie,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/the-exception-review.html
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The Chief
The Kaiser was a blustering, hot-tempered virtual child. He also had
far too much say in Government. Had he opted to make Germany a
Constitutional monarchy like the U.K., he might have been able to be
remembered more favourably.
I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
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Also Prussia was bombastic state with too much emphasis on the military
and as such held the greatest sway in the unified Germany. It's a pity
none of the other less belligerent monarchies could not have had more of
a council.
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Donald Binks
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Donald4564
2017-06-11 00:40:38 UTC
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I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
I think your argument above has been disproved by the events of history. Had the Kaiser reigned instead of ruled, then there is a remote possibility the German monarchies might have remained.

It seemed to me that the Prussian monarchy was too dominant and that there was not enough reference to all the other German monarchies as to the course the Empire as a whole was to run.

A monarch is hopefully a wise council, an umpire in time of need and the embodiment of the nation - not a person who should be in charge of running day to day affairs. From that they should be aloof.

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Donald Binks
Louis Epstein
2017-06-11 05:11:33 UTC
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I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
I think your argument above has been disproved by the events of
history. Had the Kaiser reigned instead of ruled, then there is a remote
possibility the German monarchies might have remained.
If as window dressing,then to no effect at all.
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It seemed to me that the Prussian monarchy was too dominant and that
there was not enough reference to all the other German monarchies as to
the course the Empire as a whole was to run.
Just how does an empire of federated monarchies best work?
Of course if the monarchs are window dressing they're irrelevant.
Post by Donald4564
A monarch is hopefully a wise council, an umpire in time of need and
the embodiment of the nation - not a person who should be in charge of
running day to day affairs. From that they should be aloof.
If they have no bite their bark becomes irrelevant.
There needs to be an understanding that they COULD take charge any time
they wanted,even if in practice they never do.
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Donald Binks
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Donald4564
2017-06-11 05:32:22 UTC
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I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
I think your argument above has been disproved by the events of
history. Had the Kaiser reigned instead of ruled, then there is a remote
possibility the German monarchies might have remained.
If as window dressing,then to no effect at all.
Post by Donald4564
It seemed to me that the Prussian monarchy was too dominant and that
there was not enough reference to all the other German monarchies as to
the course the Empire as a whole was to run.
Just how does an empire of federated monarchies best work?
Of course if the monarchs are window dressing they're irrelevant.
Post by Donald4564
A monarch is hopefully a wise council, an umpire in time of need and
the embodiment of the nation - not a person who should be in charge of
running day to day affairs. From that they should be aloof.
If they have no bite their bark becomes irrelevant.
There needs to be an understanding that they COULD take charge any time
they wanted,even if in practice they never do.
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Donald Binks
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
It's news to me that my Queen is only "window dressing". You don't serve your cause very well Mr. Epstein by making such silly assertions.

The German monarchies and their Governments could easily have formed a Council of State to discuss things. The British Empire used to have Imperial Conferences - so the thing works.

Anyway, it's a bit too late to be worrying about it all now.

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Donald Binks
Louis Epstein
2017-06-11 17:01:19 UTC
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I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
I think your argument above has been disproved by the events of
history. Had the Kaiser reigned instead of ruled, then there is a remote
possibility the German monarchies might have remained.
If as window dressing,then to no effect at all.
Post by Donald4564
It seemed to me that the Prussian monarchy was too dominant and that
there was not enough reference to all the other German monarchies as to
the course the Empire as a whole was to run.
Just how does an empire of federated monarchies best work?
Of course if the monarchs are window dressing they're irrelevant.
Post by Donald4564
A monarch is hopefully a wise council, an umpire in time of need and
the embodiment of the nation - not a person who should be in charge of
running day to day affairs. From that they should be aloof.
If they have no bite their bark becomes irrelevant.
There needs to be an understanding that they COULD take charge any time
they wanted,even if in practice they never do.
Post by Donald4564
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Donald Binks
It's news to me that my Queen is only "window dressing". You don't
serve your cause very well Mr. Epstein by making such silly assertions.
It is belief in her powers that makes her more than window dressing.
She is not served by refusal to cultivate that belief.
Post by Donald4564
The German monarchies and their Governments could easily have formed a
Council of State to discuss things. The British Empire used to have
Imperial Conferences - so the thing works.
Imperial Conferences brought together politicians,not monarchs...
the CHOGM,not a CHOSM,continues them.
Post by Donald4564
Anyway, it's a bit too late to be worrying about it all now.
Regards
Donald Binks
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Donald4564
2017-06-11 22:19:30 UTC
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Imperial Conferences brought together politicians,not monarchs...
the CHOGM,not a CHOSM,continues them.
That is not entirely correct. Yes they are primarily chin-wags amongst politicians however each PM has the opportunity of a private audience(s) with the monarch during the festivities. Whilst the monarch does not rule as such any longer, I am sure that some advice given may be put very strongly.

(A number of PM's have stated just how on the ball our present Queen is and how they have been subjected to some difficult questions).

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Donald Binks
Gene Wirchenko
2017-06-12 20:39:57 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 04:51:58 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein
<***@top.put.com> wrote:

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Post by Louis Epstein
I can not accept any demand that a Monarch's say in government be
reduced.Unless it is understood that the power to overrule the merely
elected is inalienably attached to the Crown,and only careful diligence
on their part leads to its being withheld,one might as well just hire
an actor for ceremonies.
That might be a good idea.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

David Amicus
2017-06-09 02:36:31 UTC
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His handicap affected his personality. He over compensated for his disability.

Sadly his father died way too young.
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