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Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl Of Warwick
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David Amicus
2017-05-08 00:23:47 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick

Wasn't he the rightful heir after the death of Richard III?
Windemere
2017-05-08 18:47:47 UTC
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Post by David Amicus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick
Wasn't he the rightful heir after the death of Richard III?
I believe you're correct, Edward was the nearest male-line relative to his uncles Edward IV and Richard III. Richard III claimed that his father's attainder disqualified him for the throne, and so did Henry VII. But this may have been a trumped-up claim simply to make it possible to bypass him in the succession. Edward spent almost his whole life in confinement.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-09 17:12:28 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick
Wasn't he the rightful heir after the death of Richard III?
I believe you're correct, Edward was the nearest male-line relative to
his uncles Edward IV and Richard III. Richard III claimed that his
father's attainder disqualified him for the throne, and so did Henry
VII. But this may have been a trumped-up claim simply to make it
possible to bypass him in the succession. Edward spent almost his whole
life in confinement.
The whole Yorkist claim rested on the male line not being required
and the disqualification of Edward IV's children was trumped up by
Richard.

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Louis Epstein
2017-05-09 04:43:22 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick
Wasn't he the rightful heir after the death of Richard III?
Richard III wasn't the rightful heir to begin with!

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David Amicus
2017-05-09 23:46:01 UTC
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Regardless of Richard III was Edward the last direct male line legitimate Plantagenet?


His fate reminds me of Ivan VI.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-10 05:38:36 UTC
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Regardless of Richard III was Edward the last direct male line
legitimate Plantagenet?
Yes.
(His sister has descendants)

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David Amicus
2017-05-10 16:47:13 UTC
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Regardless of Richard III was Edward the last direct male line legitimate Plantagenet?
Yes.
(His sister has descendants)
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Maybe England has been under an interregnum since 1499?


Could this Edward be akin to Sebastian of Portugal?
Chris Pitt Lewis
2017-05-10 18:59:32 UTC
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Regardless of Richard III was Edward the last direct male line legitimate Plantagenet?
Yes.
(His sister has descendants)
Maybe England has been under an interregnum since 1499?
Could this Edward be akin to Sebastian of Portugal?
They were kin, because both were descendants of Edward III of England.

But that may not be quite what you meant... :-)
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Windemere
2017-05-10 20:12:27 UTC
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Regardless of Richard III was Edward the last direct male line legitimate Plantagenet?
His fate reminds me of Ivan VI.
Yes, there are similarities between the positions of Edward of Warwick and Czar Ivan VI. They both probably had better hereditary claims to the throne than did Richard III or Henry VII in England, or Empress Elizabeth in Russia. They both were imprisoned at a young age, and spent almost all of their life in prison. They had no education or contact with the outside world. Edward was executed in his 20s due to his very likely trumped-up involvement in a plot, and Ivan was executed in his 20s due to a revolt which was meant to free him (in which he'd had no involvement).

Probably the main difference was that Edward had been bypassed in the succession and being very young, never put forward any claim to the throne. While Ivan VI actually did have a short reign as an infant Czar.
David Amicus
2017-05-11 03:06:35 UTC
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Thus upon the death of Edward V one of the Princes in the Tower in 1483 he would have rightfully have been King Edward VI.
David Amicus
2017-05-11 03:22:34 UTC
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Thus upon the death of Edward V one of the Princes in the Tower in 1483 he would have rightfully have been King Edward VI.
Or if that Edward were illegitimate and Richard III the rightful monarch then Edward Plantagenet would be Edward V.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-13 01:09:00 UTC
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Thus upon the death of Edward V one of the Princes in the Tower in 1483
he would have rightfully have been King Edward VI.
Not at all.
Their elder sister carried the Yorkist claim,
whose precedence over the Lancastrians rested on
the claim of the line of Clarence passing through
the female line...the York male line was junior
to the Lancaster male line.

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