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Heirs of Anne Stanley, Countess of Castlehaven
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m***@btinternet.com
2008-01-19 01:54:27 UTC
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William Adams Reitweisner here present an exercise in tracing the
senior heir of Ferdinando, 5th Earl of Derby, through his eldest
daughter Anne, successively wife of the 5th Lord Chandos and the 2nd
Earl of Castlehaven:

http://www.wargs.com/essays/succession/castlehaven.html

According to WAR's research (which, as ever, seems thorough and
accurate to me; I have reviewed each of his sources and concur), the
heirs of Lady Anne Stanley were as follows:

1. Anne Stanley, eldest daughter and coheir of the 5th Earl of Derby
2. George, 6th Lord Chandos, elder son and heir
3. Margaret Brydges, eldest daughter and coheir (and sole heir in her
issue)
4. Elizabeth Brownlow, elder daughter (and sole heir in her issue)
5. George Brownlow Doughty (1685-1743)

It seems Mr Doughty was a recusant, and his family married into a
number of other prominent recusant families. This causes problems in
terms of genealogical research, because their baptisms and marriages
tended to be secretive, and instead of leaving property by will (thus
leaving probate records) they tended to act by settlements and trusts,
in order to keep officialdom out of the loop at a time when there may
have been fines on their property.

George Brownlow Doughty's tombstone at Snarston states he had five
sons and five daughters. From WAR's work and from the 1763 will of
Doughty's widow - Frances Doughty of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, PCC, 1765 - we can construct the following (birth order
unknown unless specified):

A. Henry Doughty, eldest son and heir; issue extinct 1826

B. George Doughty, living 1763; of St George the Martyr, Westminster;
will proved PCC 1798

C. James Doughty, living 1763; gentleman of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, will proved PCC 1778; buried with his parents in St
Pancras's churchyard, London (the usual burial place for London
Catholics)

D. Robert Doughty, living 1763

E. (son)

F. Frances Appolonia Doughty, married firstly 1759 Henry Wells of
Brambridge, Hants, will proved PCC 1763; married secondly 1764 Charles
Biddulph, will proved PCC 1784; no issue by second marriage

G. Mary Doughty, married 1756 Sir Thomas Mannoch, 8th Bt; no issue

H. Charlotte Doughty, living and unmarried in 1763 [cf will of
Charlotte Doughty of St Marylebone, spinster, proved PCC 1809]

I. (daughter)

J. (daughter)

NB the "fourth and fifth" sons were Roman Catholic priests - Catholic
Record Society publication, 1904

Can anyone provide any advance on this? As WAR has shown, the senior
heir of this line has in theory a notional claim on the Crown of
England. If this line is extinct, however, that claims apparently
falls to the Earl of Jersey [no doubt this is old news to you, Sacha].

MA-R
m***@btinternet.com
2008-01-19 02:11:28 UTC
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George Brownlow Doughty's tombstone at Snarston states he had five
sons and five daughters.  From WAR's work and from the 1763 will of
Doughty's widow - Frances Doughty of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, PCC, 1765 - we can construct the following (birth order
A. Henry Doughty, eldest son and heir; issue extinct 1826
B. George Doughty, living 1763; of St George the Martyr, Westminster;
will proved PCC 1798
C. James Doughty, living 1763; gentleman of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, will proved PCC 1778; buried with his parents in St
Pancras's churchyard, London (the usual burial place for London
Catholics)
D. Robert Doughty, living 1763
E. (son)
F. Frances Appolonia Doughty, married firstly 1759 Henry Wells of
Brambridge, Hants, will proved PCC 1763; married secondly 1764 Charles
Biddulph, will proved PCC 1784; no issue by second marriage
G. Mary Doughty, married 1756 Sir Thomas Mannoch, 8th Bt; no issue
H. Charlotte Doughty, living and unmarried in 1763 [cf will of
Charlotte Doughty of St Marylebone, spinster, proved PCC 1809]
I. (daughter)
J. (daughter)
From 'A Collection of Curious and Interesting Epitaphs... of St
Pancras' by F.T. Canswick, 1869, p 54:

"Here lie the remains of Mrs Frances Doughty relict of George
Brownlowe Doughty... also the body of James Doughty Esq, fourth son of
the above, who died the 5th of January 1778 aged 44; also of Robert
Doughty, esq, fifth and youngest son, died 6th October 1794, aged 62"

These two sons appear to have been Roman Catholic priests.

MA-R
Sacha
2008-01-19 10:57:45 UTC
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On 19/1/08 01:54, in article
Post by m***@btinternet.com
William Adams Reitweisner here present an exercise in tracing the
senior heir of Ferdinando, 5th Earl of Derby, through his eldest
daughter Anne, successively wife of the 5th Lord Chandos and the 2nd
http://www.wargs.com/essays/succession/castlehaven.html
According to WAR's research (which, as ever, seems thorough and
accurate to me; I have reviewed each of his sources and concur), the
1. Anne Stanley, eldest daughter and coheir of the 5th Earl of Derby
2. George, 6th Lord Chandos, elder son and heir
3. Margaret Brydges, eldest daughter and coheir (and sole heir in her
issue)
4. Elizabeth Brownlow, elder daughter (and sole heir in her issue)
5. George Brownlow Doughty (1685-1743)
It seems Mr Doughty was a recusant, and his family married into a
number of other prominent recusant families. This causes problems in
terms of genealogical research, because their baptisms and marriages
tended to be secretive, and instead of leaving property by will (thus
leaving probate records) they tended to act by settlements and trusts,
in order to keep officialdom out of the loop at a time when there may
have been fines on their property.
George Brownlow Doughty's tombstone at Snarston states he had five
sons and five daughters. From WAR's work and from the 1763 will of
Doughty's widow - Frances Doughty of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, PCC, 1765 - we can construct the following (birth order
A. Henry Doughty, eldest son and heir; issue extinct 1826
B. George Doughty, living 1763; of St George the Martyr, Westminster;
will proved PCC 1798
C. James Doughty, living 1763; gentleman of St George the Martyr,
Westminster, will proved PCC 1778; buried with his parents in St
Pancras's churchyard, London (the usual burial place for London
Catholics)
D. Robert Doughty, living 1763
E. (son)
F. Frances Appolonia Doughty, married firstly 1759 Henry Wells of
Brambridge, Hants, will proved PCC 1763; married secondly 1764 Charles
Biddulph, will proved PCC 1784; no issue by second marriage
G. Mary Doughty, married 1756 Sir Thomas Mannoch, 8th Bt; no issue
H. Charlotte Doughty, living and unmarried in 1763 [cf will of
Charlotte Doughty of St Marylebone, spinster, proved PCC 1809]
I. (daughter)
J. (daughter)
NB the "fourth and fifth" sons were Roman Catholic priests - Catholic
Record Society publication, 1904
Can anyone provide any advance on this? As WAR has shown, the senior
heir of this line has in theory a notional claim on the Crown of
England. If this line is extinct, however, that claims apparently
falls to the Earl of Jersey [no doubt this is old news to you, Sacha].
MA-R
WAR very kindly told me about all this a few years ago and I passed it on.
I did say at the time that I'm not about to order a load of new hats with
upswept brims. ;-)
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Sacha
j***@gmail.com
2017-07-09 17:16:27 UTC
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I have the original leather marriage document for Henry Wells to Frances Apolonia Doughty passed down through my family on the Wells side...any information on Henry Wells of Brambridge? I've been trying to connect the lineage for years to the United States to a Mary Wells born in Exeter NH in 1776, not sure how the original document was passed down.

Can contact me at ***@bsasi.com

Thanks,

Jim M

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